{"id":3065,"date":"2010-06-06T20:54:48","date_gmt":"2010-06-06T20:54:48","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/critias-2\/"},"modified":"2026-01-25T17:15:00","modified_gmt":"2026-01-25T17:15:00","slug":"critias-2","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/critias-2\/","title":{"rendered":"Critias [Dialogue]"},"content":{"rendered":"

C<\/em><\/strong>ritias <\/em><\/strong>is the title of one of the two dialogues of Plato that gave the world its first unambiguous mention of Atlantis. Benjamin Jowett\u2019s<\/a> English translation of 1871 is widely available on the Internet(<\/sup>a<\/sup>)<\/sup> as it is now long out of copyright.<\/p>\n

The Critias<\/em> dialogue ends in the middle of a sentence while on the point of revealing more about Atlantis. This fact has generated regular comments over the centuries and some have concluded that Plato grew tired of the Atlantis story, while others suggest that he was at the end of his writing career and old age or illness, prevented him from finishing the dialogue. However, since it is accepted that Plato\u2019s Laws, <\/em>which also ends abruptly, <\/em>was written later than Critias<\/em> the idea that death prevented its completion does not hold up.<\/p>\n

Perhaps relevant to the incomplete Critias, <\/em>is the suggestion that there is an entire intended dialogue missing, apparently with the possible title of Hermocrates. <\/em>This would appear to be confirmed by Critias 108 <\/em>which twice mentions, in the same passage, that Hermocrates<\/a> is due to make a contribution of some substance, which the repetition implies!<\/p>\n

The British philosopher, A.E.Taylor<\/a>, held the view that Critias had only reached the stage of being just a rough draft[<\/sup>0853<\/sup><\/a>]<\/sup>.\u00a0 Taylor believed that Atlantis was just an invention of Plato.<\/p>\n

H. S. Bellamy<\/a> in his book T<\/em>he <\/em>A<\/em>tlantis <\/em>M<\/em>yth <\/em>points out that there is no evidence of any classical writer commenting on the unfinished nature of C<\/em>ritias <\/em>until Plutarch<\/a>, at the beginning of the second century AD. The implication of this is that the original manuscript was completed, but somehow over the centuries, the final part of Critias <\/em>was lost. It is easier to believe that the final incomplete sentence was originally at the end of a line of text at the bottom of a page that became separated from the following leaves, than imagine that a person of Plato\u2019s literary stature was incapable of finishing a sentence. I am tempted to subscribe to this theory and hope that somehow a copy of the ‘missing’ pages turn up in some obscure library.<\/p>\n

P. P. Flambas<\/a>, recently published a paper in which he argues that the Critias <\/em>dialogue had been completed, but that the ending had been lost. In a subsequent online discussion(g)<\/sup>, the most salient opposing comment, for me, came from Thorwald C. Franke<\/a> who proposed that the Critias<\/em> was never finished and “the Hermocrates never written, since there are not any other testimonies from ancient authors. All the other dialogues have left traces in ancient literature.”<\/em><\/p>\n

George Sarantitis<\/a> offers a novel explanation for the sudden ending of Critias<\/em>. He proposes that Plato finished his narrative where Zeus was about to speak, in the expectation that his audience would have been guided by the earlier content of Timaeus<\/em> to complete the text, with an utterance by Zeus in Homer\u2019s Odyssey<\/em> (1.32-34) \u201cO alas, the manner in which the mortals put the blame on the gods. For they claim that from us do derive their misfortunes, yet often they themselves with their wicked deeds (hubristically behaviour) fall into grief beyond what can be written.\u201d\u00a0\u00a0<\/em> (Sarantitis\u2019 translation).
\nHis full argument can be read online(c)<\/sup>.<\/p>\n

A few years ago, a Greek by the name of Keramidas, produced what he claimed was the missing ending to C<\/em>ritias<\/em>(<\/sup>b<\/sup>)<\/sup>. \u00a0It was an unconvincing piece, that was quickly dismissed as spurious.<\/p>\n

This questioning of the authenticity of some of Plato’s works is not new(f<\/sup>)<\/sup>. Joseph Socher, writing in the early 19th century [1740<\/a>]<\/sup>, rejected as spurious, Hipparchus, Minos, Kleitophon, Alkibiades II, Eraste, Epinomis, Epistole, Parmenides, Sophistes, Politikus, Kritias: also Charmides, and Lysis. These two last, however, not quite so decisively. He puts Protagoras into the second period and Phaedrus into the third. But the most peculiar feature of his theory is, that he rejects as spurious, Parmenides, Sophistes, Politikus and Kritias.<\/p>\n

Others who wrote in a similar manner, were two 19th-century philologists, Suckow and Socher and more recently Victor Tejera (1922-2018) [1741<\/a>]<\/sup>. as well as two commentators from the Sorbonne Marwan Rashed and\u00a0 Thomas Auffret, who published in Phronesis<\/em> (62, 2017, 237-264) an article(d<\/sup>)<\/sup> challenging the authenticity of the Critias, based on a supposed contradiction between Timaeus\u00a0 27a-b and Critias 108a-c. Their claim was refuted by Harold Tarrant and Thorwald C. Franke<\/a>(e<\/sup>) <\/sup>who also found some of Tarrant’s arguments ‘strange’.<\/p>\n

(<\/sup>a<\/sup>) <\/sup>The Internet Classics Archive | Critias by Plato<\/a>
\n<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

(b)<\/span><\/sup> https:\/\/atlantisonline.smfforfree2.com\/index.php?topic=333.0<\/a>\u00a0<\/span><\/p>\n

(c)<\/sup> https:\/\/platoproject.gr\/mom-1\/<\/a> (section 5)<\/p>\n

(d<\/sup>)<\/sup> Marwan Rashed & Thomas Auffret, On the Inauthenticity of the Critias – PhilPapers<\/a>
\n<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n

(e<\/sup>)<\/sup> https:\/\/www.atlantis-scout.de\/atlantis-authenticity-critias-engl.htm<\/a><\/p>\n

(f<\/sup>)<\/sup> http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20240710062647\/https:\/\/global.uwi.edu\/sites\/default\/files\/bnccde\/grote\/platovol1ch7.htm<\/p>\n

(g) <\/sup>(99+) Discussion: The Incomplete Critias.docx – Academia.edu\u00a0 (Discussion closed)
\n<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"

Critias is the title of one of the two dialogues of Plato that gave the world its first unambiguous mention of Atlantis. Benjamin Jowett\u2019s English translation of 1871 is widely available on the Internet(a) as it is now long out of copyright. The Critias dialogue ends in the middle of a sentence while on the […]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[1270,3149,2259,693,1151,6497,520,188,6491,6076,6494,6490,694,6492,5050,132,378,6493,6696,6496],"class_list":["post-3065","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-a-e-taylor","tag-a-keramidas","tag-atlantis","tag-benjamin-jowett","tag-critias","tag-g-f-w-suckow","tag-george-sarantitis","tag-h-s-bellamy","tag-harold-tarrant","tag-hermocrates","tag-joseph-socher","tag-keramidas","tag-laws","tag-marwan-rashed","tag-p-p-flambas","tag-plato","tag-plutarch","tag-thomas-auffret","tag-thorwald-c-franke-2","tag-victor-tejera"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3065","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/9"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=3065"}],"version-history":[{"count":16,"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3065\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":66203,"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/3065\/revisions\/66203"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=3065"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=3065"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=3065"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}