{"id":46,"date":"2009-11-06T18:08:20","date_gmt":"2009-11-06T18:08:20","guid":{"rendered":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/?p=46"},"modified":"2025-09-21T09:26:22","modified_gmt":"2025-09-21T08:26:22","slug":"shoal-of-mud","status":"publish","type":"post","link":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/shoal-of-mud\/","title":{"rendered":"Shoals of Mud"},"content":{"rendered":"<p><b>A<\/b><b> Shoal of mud<\/b> is stated by Plato <i>(Tim.25d)<\/i> to mark the location of where Atlantis \u2018settled\u2019. He described these shallows in the present tense, clearly implying that they were still a maritime hindrance even in Plato\u2019s day.<\/p>\n<p>Three of the most popular <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/translations-new\/\">translations<\/a> clearly indicate this:<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/jowett-benjamin\/\">Jowett<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p>\u2026.the sea in those parts is impassable and impenetrable because there is a shoal of mud in the way; and this was caused by the subsidence of the island.<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/bury-rev-robert-gregg\/\">Bury<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#8230;..the ocean at that spot has now become impassable and unsearchable, being blocked up by the shoal of mud which the island created as it settled down.\u201d<\/p>\n<p><span style=\"text-decoration: underline;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/lee-sir-henry-desmond-prichard\/\">Lee<\/a><\/span><\/p>\n<p>&#8230;..the sea in that area is to this day impassible to navigation, which is hindered by mud just below the surface, the remains of the sunken island.<\/p>\n<p>Wikipedia has noted<sup>(h)<\/sup> \u00a0that <em>&#8220;during the early first century, the\u00a0Hellenistic Jewish\u00a0philosopher\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/philo-of-alexandria\/\"><em>Philo<\/em><\/a><em>\u00a0wrote about the destruction of Atlantis in his\u00a0On the Eternity of the World, xxvi. 141, in a longer passage allegedly citing Aristotle&#8217;s successor\u00a0<\/em><a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/theophrastus\/\"><em>Theophrastus<\/em><\/a><em>. <\/em><\/p>\n<p><em>&#8216; And the island of Atalantes [translator&#8217;s spelling; original: &#8220;????????&#8221;] which was greater than Africa and Asia, as Plato says in the Timaeus, in one day and night was overwhelmed beneath the sea in consequence of an extraordinary earthquake and inundation and suddenly disappeared, becoming sea, not indeed navigable, but full of gulfs and eddies&#8217;.&#8221;<\/em><\/p>\n<p>Since it is probable that Atlantis was destroyed around a thousand years or more before Solon\u2019s Egyptian sojourn, to have continued as a hazard for such a period suggests a location that was little affected by currents or tides. The latter would seem to offer support for a Mediterranean Atlantis as that sea enjoys negligible tidal changes, as can be seen from the chart below. The darkest shade of blue indicates the areas of minimal tidal effect.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/med_tides1.gif\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"alignleft size-medium wp-image-26728\" src=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/med_tides1-300x131.gif\" alt=\"med_tides\" width=\"300\" height=\"131\" \/><\/a>If Plato was correct in stating that Atlantis was submerged in a single day and that it was still close to the water\u2019s surface in his own day, its destruction must have taken place a relatively short time before since the slowly rising sea levels would eventually have deepened the waters covering the remains of Atlantis to the point where they would not pose any danger to shipping. The <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/triremes\/\">triremes <\/a>of Plato\u2019s time had an estimated draught of about a metre so the shallows must have had a depth that was less than that.<\/p>\n<p>The reference to mud shoals resulting from an earthquake brings to mind the possibility of liquefaction. This is perhaps what happened to the two submerged ancient cities close to modern Alexandria. Their remains lie nine metres under the surface of the Mediterranean.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png\"><img loading=\"lazy\" decoding=\"async\" class=\"size-medium wp-image-26729 alignright\" src=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/Post-Glacial_Sea_Level-300x205.png\" alt=\"Post-Glacial_Sea_Level\" width=\"300\" height=\"205\" srcset=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/Post-Glacial_Sea_Level-300x205.png 300w, https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-content\/uploads\/2009\/11\/Post-Glacial_Sea_Level.png 526w\" sizes=\"auto, (max-width: 300px) 100vw, 300px\" \/><\/a>Our knowledge of sea-level changes over the past two and a half millennia should enable us to roughly estimate all possible locations in the Mediterranean where the depth of water of any submerged remains would have been a metre or less in the time of Plato.<\/p>\n<p>Some supporters of a Black Sea Atlantis have suggested the shallow Strait of Kerch between Crimea and Russia as the location of Plato&#8217;s &#8216;shoals&#8217;<sup>(e)<\/sup> .<\/p>\n<p>The tidal map above offers two areas west of <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/athens-n\/\">Athens<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/egypt\/\">Egypt<\/a> that do appear to be credible location regions, namely, (1) from the Balearic Islands, south to North Africa and (2), a more credible straddling the <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/strait-of-sicily\/\">Strait of Sicily<\/a>. This region offers additional features, making it much more compatible with Plato&#8217;s account.<\/p>\n<p>By contrast, just over a hundred miles south of that Strait, lies the <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/gabes-gulf-of\/\">Gulf of Gab\u00e9s<\/a>, which boasts the greatest tidal range (max 8 ft) within the Mediterranean.<\/p>\n<p>The Gulf of Gabes formerly known as <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/syrtis-minor-n\/\">Syrtis Minor<\/a> and the larger Gulf of Sidra to the east, previously known as Syrtis Major, was greatly feared by ancient mariners and continue to be very dangerous today because of the shifting sandbanks created by tides in the area.<\/p>\n<p>There are two principal ancient texts that possibly\u00a0support the gulfs of\u00a0Syrtis as the location of Plato\u2019s &#8216;shoal&#8217;. The first is from <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/899\/\">Apollonius of Rhodes <\/a>who was a 3rd-century\u00a0BC librarian at Alexandria. In his <i>Argonautica <\/i>(Bk IV ii 1228-1250)<sup>(a)<\/sup> he unequivocally speaks of the dangerous shoals in the Gulf of Syrtis. The second source is the <i>Acts of the Apostles<\/i> (Acts 27 13-18) written three centuries later, which describes how St. Paul on his way to Rome was blown off course and feared that they would run aground on \u201cSyrtis sands.\u201d However, good fortune was with them and after fourteen days they landed on <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/malta\/\">Malta<\/a>. The Maltese claim regarding St. Paul is rivalled by that of the Croatian island of<a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/mljet\/\"> Mljet<\/a> as well Argostoli on the Greek island of Cephalonia. Even more radical is the convincing evidence offered by Kenneth Humphreys to demonstrate that the Pauline story is an invention<sup>(b)<\/sup>.<\/p>\n<p>Both the Strait of Sicily and the <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/gabes-gulf-of\/\">Gulf of Gabes <\/a>have been included in a number of Atlantis theories. The Strait and the Gulf were seen as part of a larger landmass that included Sicily according to <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/butavand-ferdinand\/\">Butavand,<\/a> <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/arecchi-alberto\/\">Arecchi <\/a>and <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/sarantitis-george\/\">Sarantitis<\/a> who named the Gulf of Gabes as the location of the Pillars of Heracles. Many commentators such as <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/sergio-frau\/\">Frau<\/a>, <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/rapisarda-massimo\/\">Rapisarda<\/a> and <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/lilliu-giovanni-n\/\">Lilliu<\/a> have designated the Strait of Sicily as the \u2018Pillars\u2019, while in the centre of the Strait we have Malta with its own Atlantis claims.<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/zhirov-nicolai-feodosyevich\/\">Zhirov<\/a><sup>[<a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/main-bibliography\/w-z\/\">458<\/a>.25]<\/sup> tried to explain away the \u2018shoals\u2019 as just pumice stone, frequently found in large quantities after volcanic eruptions. However, Plato records an earthquake, not an eruption and Zhirov did not explain how the pumice stone was still a hazard many hundreds of years after the event. Although pumice can float for years, it will eventually sink<sup>(c)<\/sup>. It was reported that pumice rafts associated with the 1883 eruption of Krakatoa were found floating up to 20 years after that event. Zhirov&#8217;s theory does not hold water (no pun intended) apart from which, Atlantis was destroyed as a result of an earthquake. not a volcanic eruption and I think that the shoals described by Plato were more likely to have been created by liquefaction and could not have endured for centuries.<\/p>\n<p>Nevertheless, a lengthy 2020 paper<sup>(d)<\/sup> by Ulrich Johann offers additional information about pumice and in a surprising conclusion proposes that it was pumice rafts that inspired Plato&#8217;s reference to shoals!<\/p>\n<p><a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/collins-andrew\/\">Andrew Collins<\/a> in an effort to justify his Cuban location for Atlantis needed to find Plato&#8217;s &#8216;shoals of mud&#8217; in the Atlantic and for me, in what seems to have been an act of desperation he decided that the <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/sargasso-sea\/\">Sargasso Sea<\/a> fitted the bill <sup>[<a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/main-bibliography\/c\/\">072<\/a>.42]<\/sup>.\u00a0<b><\/b>Similarly, <span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/spedicato-emilio\/\">Emilio Spedicato <\/a><\/span>in support of a<span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/hispaniola-amended\/\"> Hispaniola<\/a><\/span> Atlantis also opted for the Sargasso. However, neither Collins or Spedicato were the first to make this suggestion.<a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/mijatovich-chedomille-n\/\"> Chedomille Mijatovich<\/a> (1842-1932),<strong>\u00a0<\/strong>a Serbian politician, economist and historian was one of the first in modern times to suggest that the Sargasso Sea may have been the maritime hazard described by Plato as a \u2018shoal of mud\u2019, which resulted from the submergence of Atlantis. However, neither explains how anyone can mistake seaweed for mud!<\/p>\n<p>The late <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/kaulins-andis\/\">Andis Kaulins<\/a> believed that Atlantis did exist and considered two possible regions for its location; the Minoan island of\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/thera\/\">Thera<\/a>\u00a0or some part of the<a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/north-sea\/\">\u00a0North Sea<\/a> that was submerged at the end of the last\u00a0<a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/ice-ages\/\">Ice Age\u00a0<\/a>when the sea levels rose dramatically. Kaulins noted that part of the North Sea is known locally as \u2018Wattenmeer\u2019 or Sea of Mud\u2019 reminiscent of Plato\u2019s description of the region where Atlantis was submerged, after that event.<\/p>\n<p>An even more absurd suggestion came from the American scholar <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/heidel-william-arthur\/\">William Arthur Heidel<\/a> (1868-1941), who denied the reality of Atlantis and wrote a critical paper <sup>[<a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/main-bibliography\/h-j\/\">0374<\/a>]<\/sup> on the subject (republished July 2013<sup>(g)<\/sup>). He claimed that an expeditionary naval force sent by Darius in 515 BC under <a href=\"#ScylaxofCaryanda\">Scylax of Caryanda<\/a> to explore the Indus River, eventually encountered waters too shallow for his ships, and that this was the inspiration behind Plato\u2019s tale of unnavigable seas. Heidel further claimed that Plato\u2019s battle between Atlantis and Athens is a distorted account of the war of invasion between the <a href=\"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/persian-war\/\">Persians<\/a> and the peoples of the Indus Valley (Now Pakistan)!<\/p>\n<p>&nbsp;<\/p>\n<p><sup>(a)<\/sup>\u00a0 <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sacred-texts.com\/cla\/argo\/argo53.htm\">https:\/\/www.sacred-texts.com\/cla\/argo\/argo53.htm<\/a><\/p>\n<p><sup>(b)<\/sup> <a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20240301042803\/http:\/\/www.jesusneverexisted.com\/shipwreck.html\">The Curious Yarn of Paul&#8217;s &#8220;Shipwreck&#8221; (archive.org)<\/a><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><sup>(c)<\/sup> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2017\/05\/170523144110.htm\">https:\/\/www.sciencedaily.com\/releases\/2017\/05\/170523144110.htm<\/a><\/p>\n<p><sup>(d)<\/sup> <a href=\"https:\/\/www.academia.edu\/43201863\/Resurrection_of_Atlantis_Minoica_A_new_localization_of_the_Akrotiri_Santorini_Greece_West_House_room_5_frescos_in_view_of_current_geological_findings_Part_2?email_work_card=abstract-read-more\">(99+) (PDF) Resurrection of Atlantis Minoica: A new localization of the Akrotiri (Santorini, Greece) West House room 5 frescos in view of current geological findings. Part 2 | Ulrich Johann &#8211; Academia.edu<\/a><\/p>\n<p><sup>(e)<\/sup> <a href=\"http:\/\/atlantis-today.com\/\">Index (atlantis-today.com)<\/a><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\">\u00a0<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><sup>(f)<\/sup> <a href=\"http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20181208222201\/https:\/\/www.abovetopsecret.com\/forum\/thread61382\/pg1\">http:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20181208222201\/https:\/\/www.abovetopsecret.com\/forum\/thread61382\/pg1<\/a><strong><span style=\"color: #ff0000;\"><br \/>\n<\/span><\/strong><\/p>\n<p><sup>(g) <\/sup><a href=\"https:\/\/web.archive.org\/web\/20210102084512\/https:\/www.jstor.org\/stable\/20022944\">A Suggestion concerning Plato&#8217;s Atlantis on JSTOR (archive.org)<\/a><\/p>\n<p><sup>(h)<\/sup> <a href=\"https:\/\/en.wikipedia.org\/wiki\/Atlantis\">Atlantis &#8211; Wikipedia<\/a>_?s=books&amp;ie=UTF&amp;qid=1376067567&amp;sr=-<\/p>\n","protected":false},"excerpt":{"rendered":"<p>A Shoal of mud is stated by Plato (Tim.25d) to mark the location of where Atlantis \u2018settled\u2019. He described these shallows in the present tense, clearly implying that they were still a maritime hindrance even in Plato\u2019s day. Three of the most popular translations clearly indicate this: Jowett \u2026.the sea in those parts is impassable [&hellip;]<\/p>\n","protected":false},"author":9,"featured_media":0,"comment_status":"closed","ping_status":"closed","sticky":false,"template":"","format":"standard","meta":{"_jetpack_memberships_contains_paid_content":false,"footnotes":""},"categories":[1],"tags":[234,2154,213,195,1524,4010,693,2224,2518,3288,2239,71,554,520,398,236,120,257,4009,683,2486,2483,12,1018,2485,2048,54,2305,7883,2510,166,5485,360,1142,2484,1951,38,400,2940,31,645,233,6760,7873,5118],"class_list":["post-46","post","type-post","status-publish","format-standard","hentry","category-uncategorized","tag-alberto-arecchi","tag-alexandria","tag-andis-kaulins","tag-andrew-collins","tag-apollonius-of-rhodes","tag-argostoli","tag-benjamin-jowett","tag-cephalonia","tag-chedomille-mijatovich","tag-crimea","tag-desmond-lee","tag-emilio-spedicato","tag-ferdinand-butavand","tag-george-sarantitis","tag-gulf-of-gabes","tag-hispaniola","tag-ice-age","tag-indus-valley","tag-kenneth-humphreys","tag-krakatoa","tag-lilliu","tag-liquefaction","tag-malta","tag-massimo-rapisarda","tag-mljet","tag-nikolai-zhirov","tag-north-sea","tag-persians","tag-philo","tag-r-g-bury","tag-sargasso-sea","tag-scylax-of-caryanda","tag-sergio-frau","tag-shoals","tag-st-paul","tag-strait-of-kerch","tag-strait-of-sicily","tag-syrtis-minor","tag-theophrastus","tag-thera","tag-triremes","tag-tunisia","tag-ulrich-johann","tag-wattenmeer","tag-william-arthur-heidel"],"jetpack_featured_media_url":"","jetpack_sharing_enabled":true,"_links":{"self":[{"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46","targetHints":{"allow":["GET"]}}],"collection":[{"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts"}],"about":[{"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/types\/post"}],"author":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/users\/9"}],"replies":[{"embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/comments?post=46"}],"version-history":[{"count":29,"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46\/revisions"}],"predecessor-version":[{"id":64714,"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/posts\/46\/revisions\/64714"}],"wp:attachment":[{"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/media?parent=46"}],"wp:term":[{"taxonomy":"category","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/categories?post=46"},{"taxonomy":"post_tag","embeddable":true,"href":"https:\/\/atlantipedia.ie\/samples\/wp-json\/wp\/v2\/tags?post=46"}],"curies":[{"name":"wp","href":"https:\/\/api.w.org\/{rel}","templated":true}]}}