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FOX-TV “Encounters” collides with reality of “Astronauts & UFOS” /J. Oberg nea 5,’94

When I first started my assessment of title December 4, 1994 FOX-TV “Encounters” program segment on ‘Astronauts and UFOS”, my text was full of angry words about “a new low in tabloid television sleaze”, or a “travesty on investigative ethics”, or “bald lies”.


Then I calmed down and decided to let facts rather than rhetoric make the damning indictment. Here’s a partial listing of what I see are the factual atrocities and blunders committed by the program producer:


The interviewee named Maurice Chatelain is falsely identified as an “ex-employee” of NASA’S who spent years within the program learning UFO secrets. Chatelain actually only briefly worked for North American Aviation (the NASA contactor for the Apollo command module) in Los Angeles in the mid-1960s (he sometimes claims he was “Chief of Communications” for Apollo, but he wasn’t). He never worked for NASA and all the things he refers to were learned from outside sources (or just imagined himself), not from within any NAAA-related organization.


Chatelain claims Jim McDivitt on Gemini-4 in 1965 saw a “silvery cylinder” which rapidly approached his spacecraft and missed it only by a few meters. ENCOUNTERS then ominously claims that “McDivitt kept silent” about this event. This is pure ignorance: McDivitt time and time again has patiently explained to UFO buffs and others about the beer-can shaped object (not “silver”) he spotted on his flight, hanging outside his window at an unknown range — and not in any way “approaching” him. He lost sight of it when sunlight glared across his window. He thinks it was another man-made satellite, while a good case can be made it was his own beer-can shaped second stage on a returning orbit.

Meanwhile, McDivitt has never “kept silent” on this interesting but hardly extraordinary flight event, which has been widely discussed in the literature and even in the Air Force’s Condon Report in 1968.


Chatelain refers to the Apollo- 11 moon landing and asserts that after landing, Armstrong and Aldrin saw UFOS on the edge of a crater. A film of dancing lights over the lunar horizon is then shown. The program claims that “What they saw on the moon has never been explained”, but this is blatantly untrue since that film, taken from orbit the day before the landing, shows only window reflections of LM interior lights, as anyone at the photo library at NASA could have told l}le investigators. This case – and Chatelain’s other claims, which date back to the mid-1970s — wa6 explained in detail in my 1982 book,

“UFOS and Outer Space Mysteries”, a[d the chapter on Apollo-l1 has been in the America Online OMM Antimatler Files since last July. No serious UFO researcher has ever thought the original story was anything but a tabloid concoction, either.

Chatelain has made other claims, including that Apollo-13 was carrying a small nuclear bomb to set off on the moon as a seismic experiment, which is why UFOS zapped the mission in self defense. ENCOUNTERS omitted this crazy story, for good reason.

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The program mentions astronaut Gordon Cooper’s letter to the UN (about 1973, after he had left NASA) encouraging studies of UFOS, and claims falsely that “Cooper’s letter was swept under the official carpet” — a bizarre assertion that has no basis in reality. Cooper referred to a l95l encounter he had in Germany, but when serious investigators checked up on that case, none of his fellow pilots from the Neubiberg Air Base, none of the local German news media or L’FO groups, nothing in Blue Book files, nobody even in Cooper’s own family could recall the incident. Whatever Cooper was remembering somehow slipped the minds of dozens of other witnesses. Naturally this research remains unpublished in the pro-UFO media.

The program quotes extensively from tack Kasher about STS-48 dancing blips – alleging five proofs they can’t be ice and therefore by elimination (groan!) must be alien spacecraft. But Kasher’s illogic seeps through with his claim that since STS-48, all NASA space TV became screened (an incorrect claim, in any case) to “plug leaks” and hide UFOS. But then he points to 5T5-61 (Hubble Repair) flight video of other streaking dots as further proof of UFOs – even though he claimed NASA was screening all such video to prevent people from ever seeing such UFOS! You can’t have it both ways – and remain rational.

Kasher made a claim that the STS-48 “Main Object” stopped for a full half second during the “flash” (the jet firing), which he said ice couldn’t do. People watching the video ncver saw it “stop”, but on Kasher’s pdnted report (not shown on TV) there is a flat area in the graph of object motion. But Kasher doesn’t seem to realize that since there is no standard frame of reference for motion in space, the “stopping” could have shown up on the TV screen as motion in ANY direction. It did not, and that’s the overlooked clue – it stopped ONLY in reference to the TV’s field of view, which suggests the “stopping” was an artifact of the TV scan, not of the object’s actual motion. This is borne out by Kasher’s technical paper: since the TV image is digitized (i.e., in discrete pixels, not in analog continuous form), every position is “rounded off’ to the nearest whole pixel. A proper chart should have included “error bals” which show the entire span of the view which is mapped into each specific digital position. When that is done, the curved change of course of the panicle fits entirely and smoothly into the elror-bar covered region. There is NO “stop” — it is an illusion of naive data processing by Kasher.


The alleged NASA spokesman, identified as “Paul Lowman” seems to have been deliberately chosen for his ignorance of “UFO lore” and his unfamiliarity with earlier investigations done by NASA and others into the cases brought up. He couldn’t have been a better patsy if he had been paid to read a script. And so far, I’ve been unsuccessful in finding anyone at NASA who’s ever heard of him…. [Stand by for updates].


This episode is a sad piece of television so-called-journalism. You really have to wonder what the show’s producers thought of the intelligence and credulity of the target audience.

People who can be expected to swallow these kinds of stories can probably be expected to swallow (and pay for) anything – which is probably why the whole show was interspersed with promotions for the Fox sister show “The X-Files”. CAVEAT EMPTOR ! !


Archive 2353


di Diego Silvio Novo per Edicolaweb

preleva l’inserto stampabile:      Appunti, ipotesi e suggerimenti per una ricerca storica sul mito di Atlantide. È plausibile collocare l’isola di Atlantide nel Mediterraneo invece che nell’Oceano Atlantico? Come e cosa potrebbero aver fatto scomparire l’isola e la sua mitica civiltà? Il Diluvio, la fine di Atlantide, l’era glaciale e l’Età dell’Oro mitologica potrebbero essere eventi e circostanze collegabili? Queste alcune delle domande a cui tenterò di fornire un’ipotetica risposta.

INTRODUZIONE La mitica isola di Atlantide, sommersa dalle acque 9000 anni prima che venisse raccontata da Platone (427-347 a.C.), nel Crizia e nel Timeo, è stata di volta in volta collocata un po’ ovunque. Il mare indicato da Platone, per bocca del vecchio sacerdote egizio di Sais che riferisce la leggenda a Solone (630-560 a.C.), amico di Dropite, bisnonno di Crizia, è l’Oceano Atlantico, così definito dal nome dell’isola stessa. In effetti potrebbe essere l’isola a prendere il nome dall’Oceano, ma la sensazione che il nome Atlantide sia nato prima rimane molto forte. Su questa collocazione, non dovrebbero esserci dei dubbi. Platone, per rendere più sicura la localizzazione, ci dice che l’isola si trovava di fronte alle Colonne d’Ercole. Quindi non dovrebbero esserci dei dubbi circa la sua antica posizione nell’Oceano Atlantico, di fronte allo stretto di Gibilterra. Eppure forse è possibile che le cose non stessero proprio così. Con questa dissertazione sul mito atlantideo, non cercherò di travisare le parole di Platone, ma se mai di darne un’interpretazione diversa e verificare la rispondenza con quanto supposto dal giornalista di Repubblica Sergio Frau. Per completezza, cercherò di valutare i pro e i contro della collocazione di Atlantide anche in altri siti storici, e su di essi cercherò di fare delle ipotesi plausibili. Questi sono ormai diventati molti nel corso di anni di speculazioni più o meno feconde: Santorini, isola effettivamente distrutta da un cataclisma assieme alla sua civiltà (di cui parlerò anche in merito alla Sardegna); le isole Azzorre e le Canarie che appartengono ad una vasta regione sottomarina vulcanica (le Canarie erano anche abitate da misteriosi nativi di pelle chiara, i Guanci, pur essendo prossime all’Africa); il Mar dei Carabi e le civiltà precolombiane (gli Aztechi nei loro miti provenivano da Aztlan); il Pacifico con la leggenda di Mu e lo strano caso dell’isola di Pasqua; l’Antartide, ritenuta recentemente idonea ad ospitare una civiltà in un’epoca in cui era parzialmente sgombra dai ghiacci. L’elenco potrebbe essere quasi completo (Lemuria appartiene ad un’altra epoca del mondo), anche se questo tende ad allungarsi con il passar del tempo poiché sempre nuove ipotesi più o meno logiche vengono formulate. Più avanti analizzerò solo alcune di queste possibili localizzazioni, rapportandole con quella coincidente con la Sardegna. Oltre allo studio della localizzazione dell’isola mitica tenterò anche di formulare ipotesi che potrebbero essere spunti da approfondire, per giustificare i miti dell’Età dell’Oro, dei diluvi, in rapporto alle glaciazioni preistoriche.

PRECISAZIONE. Abbiamo ricevuto da Rosario Vieni e pubblichiamo: Desidero precisare quanto segue: Già prima di Frau io avevo scritto e pubblicato, sulla rivista “Episteme” dell’Università di Perugia, un pezzo in cui “collocavo” le Colonne d’Ercole nel Canale di Sicilia. Tale pezzo peraltro era circolato presso illustri personaggi della cultura internazionale e questa è cosa che posso documentare. Il pezzo si può ancora leggere (basta fare una ricerca sul mio nome su Google) su Episteme. Il signor Diego Silvio Novo deve ben sapere queste cose, visto che nel suo pezzo cita un passo di tale mio scritto su Atlantide. Io sono stato defraudato della paternit&afrave; dell’idea, ma la comunità scientifica internazionale ha rimediato in parte allo scippo visto che nel luglio 2005 ha invitato me, e non il signor Frau, a partecipare alla prima Conferenza Internazionale su Atlantide che si è tenuta a Milos nelle Cicladi.

Rosario Vieni

KIV Books

KIV Books published a short overview of Atlantis theories in June 2017 with the title of Atlantis; Myths, Legends and History. The name of the author is not revealed. Anyway, this offering is lightweight in every sense and not worth reading.

Archive 2547

 The State of Our Knowledge About Ancient Copper Mining in Michigan

The Michigan Archaeologist 41(2-3):119-138.

Susan R. Martin 1995


Popular literature contributes to the persistence of fantasy and mythology surrounding ancient copper mining in Michigan. This paper points out some of the major elements of mis-statement and myth revealed in current popular books, and suggests why they are fallacious, using current archaeological data about copper mining as counterpoint. Michigan’s prehistoric mining data are unique in the world. Their discovery, description and explanation make an exciting story, one of which the citizens of this region can be rightfully proud and of which they should all be aware. Professional archaeologists need to build a public support base through accessible and competently written accounts of the facts about Michigan prehistory. Our efforts have improved in the past ten years, but our publications still lag behind those of non-specialist authors.


My topic today is the world-famous ancient copper industry of the Lake Superior Basin. Since 1961 and Griffin’s seminal publication of Lake Superior Copper and the Indians we have learned a lot, archaeologically, about prehistoric copper use (Griffin 1961) and its persistence through prehistory. Today I also want to talk about the persistence of fantasy and mythology surrounding ancient copper mining. Walk into any bookstore up north these days and you’ll see what I mean. Mysterious books with lurid symbols and tales of trans-oceanic contact fill people’s minds with archaeo- illogical constructs (Sodders 1990; Sodders 1991). I’d like to chide the professional ranks, myself included, for failing to promote real archaeology as successfully! Competently written accounts of our passion, the study of prehistory, should be out there for public consumption! The professional ranks fail to present an effective public counterpoint to archaeo-illogic. Our efforts have improved in the past ten years, but our publications still lag behind those of non-specialist authors. Some of this is due to the nature of our data; they are fragile and require careful analysis and documentation, something that casual authors clearly can put aside, along with meeting standards of scientific evidence. Some of this is due to the reward structure of academic life, which tends to stress preaching to other specialists rather than expanding our public support base. But some of this is due to having our heads, in addition to our trowels, in the sand; this we are trying to change. I hope to help correct this shortcoming vis a vis copper in the next year or so, with accessible publications for an interested and literate readership. The Society for American Archaeology’s Public Education Committee has made great strides in organizing a national campaign for archaeological literacy. There is now a growing nationwide network of archaeological information so that interested schoolchildren and others can readily find factual data (MacDonald 1994). Educational materials are available for primary and secondary students and many people, amateurs and professionals alike, are working hard to disseminate these materials to interested people in our state. Plus our state museum system and funding systems are trying hard to do their parts.

Here at home however, popular books which are widely available and by all accounts financial successes, help to perpetuate the myths that stand for the truth about Michigan prehistory. These myths are dangerous for the following reasons:

1) They detract from the pressing need to preserve archaeological sites. Some of these publications announce that the sites are already destroyed (Sodders 1990:27-28), which is absolutely false. The trouble here is that the public may be persuaded to disregard important site protection issues based on wrong information.

2) They put people’s energies into false hopes of splendid and snazzy discoveries (which encourages site looting) rather than into productive activity, such as training in excavation, analysis of artifacts, and site preservation and protection.

3) They’re so sensational that people are liable to devalue the facts in favor of the fantasy. Archaeology gets a bad name when it takes away people’s pet myths, even if they’re irrational!

4) These authors overlook the requirements of science, particularly those about testing hypotheses objectively, yet offer speculations as though they were scientific fact. This failure to distinguish fact from fiction disadvantages people in a culture such as ours that prides itself in generating literacy but also succeeds in the generation of misinformation! Telling truth from myth is an important skill for citizenship, no matter what the subject.

Most of the myths take their ‘truth’ from mantra-like repetition rather than empirical evidence. In fact try as I have, it’s often impossible to find the original sources of some of the ideas accepted as fact in these volumes! For example, when I read about the area in which I’ve lived and done fieldwork for twenty years, that being Houghton County, Michigan, I’m simply amazed! According to these books, there is evidence, everywhere, of Phoenicians, Bronze Age Europeans, and others sailing copper-laden flotillas from the Keweenaw home to the Old World! And I’ve apparently been asleep at the switch the whole time because I sure never found any such evidence!

I’d like today to point out some of the major elements of mis-statement and myth revealed in these books, and to suggest why they are fallacious, using current archaeological data about copper mining as counterpoint. The copper myths include two major themes that have plagued archaeological thinking since the nineteenth century: who were the miners and where is all the copper? These themes are part of a general widespread myth that began several centuries ago, about the origins of North American indigenous people, a myth which is also responsible for racist judgments about the sophistication of indigenous American technologies (Williams 1991:23-24). The tenacity of this myth in the face of archaeological evidence is rather difficult to explain. Williams suggests that its appeal is in part based on nationalism, on ethnic pride, and on a deep-felt pan-human trait in which “strength of belief is paramount over strength of evidence” (Williams 1991:24). I recommend that you take a look at the Williams book for a very complete and entertaining account of the histories of marginal hypotheses and fantasies in archaeological inquiry.

The Enigmatic and Inscrutable Copper Culture People

MYTH: Turning now to the question of who the copper culture people were, a primary misstatement is that the copper was worked by a “virtually unknown race of people” (Sodders 1990:12).

FACT: Who, indeed, is this unknown race? Martians following Dr. Spock and the crew of the starship Enterprise? The race, if you are willing to use such a misapplied term, that is responsible for the prehistoric copper exploitation of Michigan, is none other than the race that discovered the continent, the indigenous American Indians. There are no discontinuities in biological variation in the Upper Great Lakes or in the rest of the Americas for that matter. There is unbroken continuity in populations, based on skeletal and artifact evidence, in the Upper Great Lakes, and there is absolutely no evidence that there is anything unusual or biologically separate about the populations that lived in the Upper Great Lakes during prehistory. To conclude otherwise is clearly a part of someone’s separate reality. The trouble with this mystifying statement is that it also suggests that there is some scientific basis for drawing discrete racial boundaries based on archaeological information. This conclusion is absolutely false.

Actual studies of the archaeological record in Michigan tell a completely different story. Archaeological research on the national forests of the Upper Peninsula, at the region’s national parks, by the Michigan Archaeological Society, and by Michigan’s universities during the past few years expanded our understanding of prehistoric site locations, both of mining and camp sites, of the many prehistoric copper-using cultures in our region. The National Park Service supported five years of historic and prehistoric research on Isle Royale from 1985-1990, expanded the site location data base, tested many sites, and monitored conditions at others. Major research reports, journal articles, paper presentations and one dissertation are the collective result. This systematic and extensive research program expanded our knowledge about prehistoric pottery-using people, and turned up no evidence, anywhere, of non-native exploitation of prehistoric copper (Clark 1988; Clark 1990; Clark 1991; Martin 1988a; Martin 1988b; Martin 1990; Martin, Martin and Gregory 1994).

MYTH: The second misstatement has to do with the duration of the prehistoric mining era, which is quoted to last from 3000 B.C. to 900 A.D. (Sodders 1990:12).

FACT: The duration of prehistoric mining is really much longer than this rough estimate. The dates and ranges of time for prehistoric copper use are really from about seven thousand years ago to protohistoric times. Suites of dates from the Upper Peninsula and nearby areas make it clear that the age of the use of copper lasts longer and extends farther than Sodders suggests. It does NOT extend as far as Phoenicia or the European Bronze Age, however! There is a growing cluster of sites with dates in the range of 7 thousand years ago, found at South Fowl Lake, MN; Lac LaBelle, MI and Oconto, WI (Beukens 1992; Martin 1993; (Mason 1981). There are at least three sites with typologically old lithics in the company of copper: at Itasca, MN; at sites in the Deer Lake, MI area; and at sites in the North Lakes region, WI (Clark 1991; Salzer 1974; Shay 1971). While certainly provisional at present, it is possible that copper-working is associated with sites of PaleoIndian and/or Early Archaic technology northwest of the Superior basin as well (Steinbring 1991).

MYTH: The third misstatement has to do with repeated suggestions of Old World contact, such as in the following two segments: “This new wave of “open-mindedness” brought additional scientific theories regarding the Copper Culture people. It was further believed that a Norse King named Woden-lithi left his mark near Toronto in the year 1700 B.C. He left behind petroglyphs and writings to indicate his visit was a trading mission for a well-established copper trade that was known to have existed in the Lake Superior Region some 1000 years before his visit. Evidently the Keweenaw copper industry was well established when the Norse King paid North America a visit!” (Sodders 1990:13) and “it appears entire flotillas of Norse, Baltic and Celtic ships crossed the Atlantic to enter into trade wars with the Algonquians for rich mineral deposits” (Sodders 1990:14).

FACT: There is absolutely no archaeological evidence that anyone but indigenous Americans and subsequent French, British and Euro-American miners took copper from the Keweenaw. In contrast to speculative stuff and nonsense, here’s an actual archaeological fact to consider: all cultures make garbage! Show me some Norse garbage reliably dated to 1700 B.C. in the Toronto area in pristine context and I’ll sign on readily in support of these hypotheses! What does it take to support them? Archaeological data! It’s not much to ask, given the firm conclusions that have been reached by some authors. If these conclusions are to be accepted by science, scientific standards of skeptical inquiry must be upheld. Otherwise it’s archaeo-illogic, not archaeology. Large-scale migrations leave evidence: witness the global evidence of the expansion of European technologies during the fifteenth-sixteenth century A.D. If Bronze Age folks transported themselves to North America there’d be something left behind as material evidence. Anyone who’s ever been on a prehistoric archaeological site in the Upper Great Lakes knows what levels of trash can be generated by low-level-consumer cultures such as those of American prehistory. Why, in contrast to everyone else in world history, are these alleged Bronze Age people so neat, tidy, and garbage-free?

The competent excavation of many prehistoric archaeological sites in the Lake Superior basin reveals the continuous use of copper throughout the prehistoric time range, in association with all of the other items of material culture (projectile points, pottery and the like) that are without a doubt the products of native technologies. Many of these sites have been dated reliably by radiocarbon means (Table 1). Clearly, copper-working continues up until the years of aboriginal contact with seventeenth-century Europeans. The speculators could at least acknowledge these facts rather than pretend that the association of copper with indigenous people doesn’t exist. The fact is, the campsites of indigenous peoples of the Upper Great Lakes contain everything consistent with a long-lived continuous regional hunting/gathering/fishing adaptation, and contain nothing attributable to European cultures until the seventeenth century A.D.

MYTH: The fourth misstatement: a quiet racism extolling the abilities of the Old World peoples and implicitly denigrating the accomplishments of New World indigenous peoples.

“At a much later period many of these early visitors eventually settled permanently in the Americas. Some, it has been said, mingled with local native tribes…From a realistic point of view, the Bronze Age produced races of people that were definitely not only literate, but also well educated. Here in the New World they left behind a lasting legacy containing rock inscriptions …”(Sodders 1990:14).

FACT: The implication here is that intellectual achievement, writing and education are allegedly related to biological mixtures of European genes. This reasoning is false and so are its implications. In addition, the alleged inscriptions and their ‘translations’ are without evidence (Williams 1991:285). In fact, indigenous metal-working technologies are incredibly sophisticated, and this sophistication has been repeatedly documented over the past century, beginning at least with F. H. Cushing (Cushing 1894). More recently, experimental studies have provided much information on the formation of prehistoric copper artifacts. Studies of copper materials through scanning electron microscopy and other metallographic studies are informing more and more about the sequential physical changes that hammering, cold working and annealing bring about in copper artifacts, and the sophistication of the varied technologies involved. There is a vast body of accessible data about these processes (Childs 1994; Leader 1988; Vernon 1986).

MYTH: Fifth, a misunderstanding of Ojibwa folk tales and world view, as revealed in the following quote. “Let me add quickly that these fables more or less afford positive proof against the possibility that early Indian races were the original ancient copper mining people”(Sodders 1990:15).

FACT: Fortunately there is an extensive body of scholarship about Ojibwa myth and world view related to copper (Bourgeois 1994; Hamell 1987, Vecsey 1983). This information is easy to come by; in a recent quick count I found at least seventeen authors who deal with the general mythology of the Lake Superior Ojibwa. Scholars conclude that Ojibwa myths demonstrate that the indigenous peoples of this region are the copper users, which of course is supported by archaeological evidence of worked copper in virtually all of their prehistoric camp sites in the Lake Superior basin. Everywhere around the world, cultures record myths about their environmental surroundings and imbue them with power. In the case of the Lake Superior basin, powerful mythic underwater creatures or manitous were believed to control copper and other resources, including animals used for food, good weather for fishing, etc., which were dispensed or held back depending on immediate circumstances, those being the negotiated terms of exchange with humans. Power, after all, is double-edged and can be used for good or for bad; sometimes these underwater creatures tipped over canoes and drowned their occupants, and other times calmed the waters after receiving appropriate tokens of appreciation from humans, such as sacrificed dogs, tobacco, cloth and the like. Sodders apparently connects the down-side of this double-edged power with Ojibwa stories about avoiding copper localities, and concludes that the indigenous people of the region couldn’t be the copper users. Nothing could be further from the truth. The fact is, the manitous and their powers according to Ojibwa myth are seen as an extension of the human social world. Humans and not-so-humans strive to influence each other through ritual exchange (Hamell 1987:68-70) in which copper was one medium among many. Power was also believed to reside in copper itself, according to Ojibwa myth ( (Kohl 1956). Copper was considered by some to contain powerful medicine, a great medium for ritual exchange, that brought wealth, health and well-being (Barnouw 1977:133). This is probably why it was worn by and buried with children (Heckenberger 1990;, Hruska 1967). In addition, contact-era Ojibwa people had every reason to dissemble about the locations of copper deposits and their significance. After all, powerful strangers were trying to gain access to Ojibwa lands, primarily to extract culturally-valued resources. Why aid and abet this attempted seizure by revealing everything about copper? There is nothing inconsistent about the myths regarding copper and native use of it; in fact copper use is completely consistent with the Ojibwa world view and with the archaeological record of the basin.

MYTH: The language used betrays a misunderstanding of geology and geological processes. For example, the Ontonagon Boulder is referred to as “that freak mass of pure copper” (Sodders 1990:17). Later on, another trumped-up mystery is presented: “even hidden copper veins that did not directly surface as mineral outcroppings were previously tapped by these people from the past…one can but speculate as to this early race’s inscrutable method of ore detection” (1990:28).

FACT: Native copper deposits come in may forms, from filling linear fissures, to conglomerate deposits, to amygdaloid deposits. Each is useful, but requires differing extraction and treatment routines to make it so. Mass copper is not unusual at all; Sodders herself documents many other mass occurrences as do other early chroniclers. It’s also well-known that geological copper appears in systematic patterns with indicator rock and typical land forms nearby; there is no cause to prescribe ‘inscrutability’ to this fact of geology. It’s quite possible that native cultures were better at finding copper than Europeans were, seeing as how the indigenous peoples had been adapting to their home region for 6000 years or more!

There is also an extensive body of materials science literature which documents the expansion of our knowledge base about local sources of copper, by relating the elemental composition of beds of copper to regional trace element profiles, as well as by linking the trace elements in individual artifacts to geological sources of similar elemental content. These methods are very successful in distinguishing European from native copper, alloys of copper from the metal in its native state, and smelted copper from cold hammered materials (Childs 1994; Hancock 1991; Rapp 1984). By these means, it’s relatively easy to demonstrate the eventual shift to European metals and technology which, sadly for the Atlantic neo-diffusionists, occurs in the first quarter of the seventeenth century in the Upper Great Lakes rather than during anyone’s Bronze Age.

MYTH: Attributing strangeness, or “other-ness,” to the copper miners is an essential element in the copper myth, as we have seen earlier. One colleague refers to this as the “pygmy Phoenician” phenomenon (Mark Hill, personal communication, 1994). Other standard elements in the copper mythology are fantastic accounts of the alleged laborious feats of copper extraction: “What gang of primitive workers labored so diligently to raise this ponderous weight some five feet plus off the floor of that early mining pit? Better yet, one cannot help but marvel at the standards by which they accomplished this super-incredible feat” (Sodders 1990:22), and “Who were the common people who performed this almost impossible feat of labor? Once more, was slave labor employed?” (1990:30).

FACT: They were very ordinary people indeed! That’s because they were not pygmy Phoenician voyageur slaves but indigenous Americans. I know that this is a shocking statement for a lot of people but some were probably women. Turning away from obsessions with mining feats, and looking at copper-working in situ, gives insight into the social framework of copper fabrication technologies. If one considers the manufacture and manipulation of the most numerous and long-lived copper artifact type, the bead, some rather interesting possibilities arise. For example, the contents of the excavated copper cache at 20KE20 (Martin 1993) suggest a woman’s tool kit for copper bead fabrication as well as other probable gender-specific tasks such as food preparation and skin-working. The artifacts of interest are awls and an ulu, both of which are regularly connected with women’s subsistenceactivities (Penman 1977); Thomas Pleger, personal communication 1995). The beads of the cache represent a range of sizes and manufacturing techniques, and were probably prepared for a variety of wearers, including children. Archaeologists, after all, try to connect real materials, recovered archaeologically, with real human social behavior, rather than with feats of imaginary brute strength by imaginary invaders.

MYTH: The mythmakers now approach their major challenge. How do they explain away the fact that there’s absolutely no material evidence to support their speculations about Bronze Age exploitation, about Old World import/export trade in copper, about flotillas of Phoenicians? This is a snap for these inventive people! You simply turn logic on its head, and use the lack of evidence itself as explanation! There are three avenues of alleged explanation offered: one, nineteenth century mining destroyed the ancient evidence; two, the enigmatic miners were so inscrutable that they never left anything behind to begin with; and three, a _subsequent_ mystery race scavenged everything of use! “Additionally, these ancient people left no dead, no household goods, no pottery…no apparent cultural evidence was discovered to provide clues to this timeworn puzzle. Remember….workers just seemed to walk right off their jobs!” (Sodders 1990:32-33). “It is indeed evident that these mysterious people came to the Copper Country, worked thousands of these copper pits, over an undetermined number of years, took out vast hoards of copper, then as baffling as it may seem, mysteriously just disappeared, leaving their tools exactly where they lay” (1990:18). And “Sadly to say, early prospectors and subsequent mine workers literally destroyed most of these ancient pits and primitive tools” (1990:27). Finally, “Why have the temporary camp sites at least, never been located? Were these itinerant villages perhaps looted by a later race of people who in turn removed anything and everything they deemed of value, leaving behind just the cumbersome stone hammers, mauls and other mining equipment?” (1990:37-38).

FACT: I agree that prehistory has disappeared from our immediate view. All that is left of prehistory is its irreplaceable artifact evidence and the contexts in which that evidence is found. These are all the data archaeologists have to go on; they are extremely fragile and admittedly incomplete. But all known archaeological deposits in Michigan are consistent with long-lived adaptations of indigenous American people. The native people of the Upper Great Lakes did leave burials, villages, and pottery, which constitute the prehistoric archaeological record of this state. No number of invented inscrutable mythic races can undo this archaeological fact. Contrary to what is suggested in the preceding paragraph, the remains of the prehistoric copper cultures are not all destroyed, at least not yet. However they are very threatened by shoreline development, by construction plans of all kinds, and mostly by thoughtless and selfish metal-detecting and illegal collecting of copper artifacts.

A Mathematical Mystery Tour, or the Prehistoric Numbers Game

Now we turn to the second major theme in the copper culture myth, that of the dogma of the missing copper. Where did all the copper go? This theme is formulated on a calculus of mythic arithmetic, a prehistoric numbers game! The mythic calculations involve the numbers and depths of copper extraction pits, the numbers and weights of stone hammers, the percentage volume of copper per mining pit, the numbers of miners, and the years of mining duration. Ultimately, the mix of these numbers yields the alleged total amount of extracted prehistoric copper, that being in the range of 1 to 1.5 billion pounds. It’s difficult to attribute this branch of mathematics to any one individual, but if there’s credit to be given, it should be given first to Drier and Du Temple (Drier and Du Temple 1961) and then to a Chicago-area writer named Henrietta Mertz, who lays out her numerology proposals in a book entitled Atlantis: Dwelling Place of the Gods (Mertz 1967). In contrast, I propose that none of these numbers, save those related to the weight of the hammers, are actually knowable in an empirical sense. We’ll start then on our firmest ground, the weights of the hammers.

MYTH: A primary aspect of the mathematical mystery tour is the use of numbers, most unreferenced as to source, to present what is supposed to pass as scientific substance to claims of prehistoric mining feats. The following account of the myth also includes the doctrine of the grooved versus the ungrooved hammers. “Rudimentary mining activities existed with the use of crude 20-pound stone hammers. Oddly enough, the hammers found on the mainland were grooved, to be held in place by perhaps a thong of sorts, while those discovered in the Isle Royale pits, were nongrooved…perhaps handheld” (Sodders 1990:17-18). “….the hammers averaged from 6 to 8 pounds and measured approximately 8 inches in length. On one occasion, a maul was recorded to have weighed a hefty 39 1/2 pounds and subsequently was fitted with two grooves instead of the normal one” (1990:27). “On one occasion at the Island’s Minong Mine location, over 1000 tons of stone hammers were found, representing a staggering tool count of some 200,000 to 300,000 items” (1990:27).

FACT: Until recently only Tyler Bastian and Burton Straw had ever, to my knowledge, counted, weighed and measured large collections of hammerstones from the mainland and the island and documented hammerstone characteristics (Bastian 1963; Straw 1962). Looking at a collection of 193 hammers from Isle Royale, Bastian reported that ca. 5% were grooved, such as the one illustrated in Figure 3[omitted], collected from an archaeological deposit at the Siskowit Mine on Isle Royale. In a related study, two-thirds of hammers measured from the mainland were found to be grooved (Straw 1962). According to Bastian, it is very difficult to “distinguish slightly modified, or heavily weathered, hammerstones, from ordinary cobbles and boulders…” (Bastian 1963:288). Bastian states that it is possible that reports of very heavy hammerstones are a result of mis-identifying ordinary beach cobbles as hammers; he also states that there may be two size classes of hammerstones on Isle Royale (1963:289-290). Weights in Bastian’s study ranged from 1 1/2 to 26 pounds. Additional work on hammerstones was carried out this year at Michigan Tech (Sieders 1995) on a collection of hammerstones (n = 82) taken from the Mass City, Michigan area. In this collection, the weights of the hammers ranged from 11 ounces to 17 pounds, and greater than 80% of the collection weighed less than 4 pounds. Sieders also suggests that there may be two kinds of hammerstones, to accomplish two different mining functions. What’s important to learn is this: not only are the actual weights much reduced from the estimated ones, but also the measurements taken from these hammerstone studies are replicable and verifiable, as opposed to estimated and repeated as gospel. In addition, the unsubstantiated grooved/ungrooved dogma falls, and it’s about time.

MYTH: Other elements that are found in many copper culture myths are mantra-like repetitions of numbers that combine the head count of miners, a time duration of mining, and mining pit counts into an algorithm of total exploited copper. “Furthermore it is believed that as many as 10,000 miners, labored some 1000-plus years, in an estimated 10,000 Copper Range pits” (Sodders 1990:30). Essentially the same mathematical alchemy is reported by Drier and Du Temple, who add that the total amount of removed copper approaches 1 to 1.5 billion pounds:

“If one assumes that an average pit is 20 feet in diameter and 30 feet deep, then it appears that something like 1000 to 1200 tons of ore were removed per pit. If the ore averaged five percent, or 100 pounds per ton then approximately 100,000 pounds of copper were removed per pit. If 5000 pits existed, as earlier estimates indicated (and all pits are copper bearing), then 100,000 pounds per pit in 5000 pits means that 500,000,000 pounds of copper were mined in prehistoric times – all of it without anything more than fire, stone hammers, and manpower. If the ore sampled 15 percent, and if more than 5000 pits existed, then over 1.5 billion pounds of copper were mined (Drier and Du Temple 1961:17).

Henriette Mertz tells it more plainly and lays culpability at the toes of the archaeological profession: “This incredible amount of copper has not been accounted for by American archaeologists ….. the sum total according to archaeological findings here in the States amounts to a mere handful of copper beads and trinkets…..float copper. Five hundred thousand tons of pure copper does not disintegrate into thin air. It cannot be sneezed away……it must be somewhere, and to date, it has not been located in the United States,” and “99.9% is still to be accounted for” (Mertz 1976:18). Mertz concludes, of course, that the copper was disappeared by Old World Bronze Age metal mongers.

FACT: The figures are made up out of thin air and can be sneezed away. That’s because no one has a means to measure any of these variables accurately or with any precision. All of these figures are built on ill-constructed estimates. Let’s examine the variable “percentage of copper in the trap rock” as an example. Clearly, the actual percentage of copper in rock varies from none (plain old rock) to one hundred percent (Ontonagon Boulder). Additionally, while the course of copper in trap rock is somewhat predictable, the amount of copper isn’t necessarily constant or even regular. Many failed mining concerns of the nineteenth century found out this fact of geology the hard way! The counts of copper pits, the sizes of pits, and the weight of removed trap are 1) either arbitrarily-chosen numbers, or 2) variable in reality; despite this they are used as constants in the algorithm. Drier and Du Temple used a constant for copper percentage (error) and then multiply it by an estimated number of pits (error inherent) of a constant size (error), counting some and extrapolating to unknown areas (another error). Because we know that pits are not randomly but systematically located, excavated and followed, it makes no sense to extend their probable locations to unknown areas unless one is willing to accomodate enormous errors. In these algorithms, error compounds error compounds error. The resultant sums are a statement of faith, not fact; the numerologists may as well be counting angels dancing on heads of pins.

Can We Agree with the Mythmakers on Anything?

After all this complaining, can we agree at all with the generators and perpetrators of these myths? Why, yes, as a matter of fact. There are two statements Sodders makes that I’d go to the wall for as a professional archaeologist. One is this: There are a good number of things scientists know (and admittedly, don’t know)…” (1990:12). This is absolutely the fact; in fact it’s the key to differentiating science from non-science. Scientists subject their pet hypotheses to rigorous testing, and proclaim all conclusions to be provisional: that is, temporary, always subject to disproof by new discoveries. Our knowledge of prehistory is incomplete, and everybody I know in this endeavor would jump to acknowledge that fact. While I am so far confident that no evidence to date undermines the conclusion that indigenous Americans mined copper, we must, as scientists, hold to the principle that we will change our tunes when presented with novel and compelling data, such as reliably dated Norse (or Bronze Age or Phoenician) garbage in pristine context! Those data, of course, will also be subjected to rigorous skeptical scrutiny, and so on forever. All scientific conclusions are temporary and contingent. It’s as simple as that. Mistakes are made when pet conclusions are upheld despite the power of contradictory data. This is the sort of error that is being perpetuated by archaeo-illogical books.

Now on to the second statement with which Sodders will find wide agreement amongst archaeologists: “The ancient prehistory copper pits found along the 120-mile Copper Range of the Keweenaw Peninsula represent one of the most unique aspects of prehistoric remains found in Michigan today” (1990:21). I’d actually go beyond this to state that Michigan’s prehistoric mining data are unique in the world. Their discovery, description and explanation make an exciting story, one of which the citizens of this region can be rightfully proud and of which they should all be aware. There is no need to cloak this story in mystery to make it interesting; all that mythic silly chatter does is generate misinformation. Sadly in that pursuit, the true value of the archaeological record, to inform us about our unique past, is forgotten and ignored. In my opinion, it is the duty of the professional archaeological corps to make accessible their collective findings about the past and thereby to build public support for the study of archaeology and the conservation of the archaeological record. This is a task too important to leave to casual authors.

Given its global significance, it is particularly important that the archaeological record be carefully preserved in our state. Archaeological fieldwork and data collection, as other forms of scholarship, can be slow, unrewarding, lonely and somewhat tedious processes and are not pastimes for the fainthearted, nor for the untrained. Thoughtless searching for artifacts, or excavation without training, can ruin the unique and fragile record of the past. But many interesting discoveries continue to be made about prehistory in our unique region. Some of these discoveries forever change our way of thinking about the past; others are rather mundane and predictable. Most archaeologists, professional and avocational alike, only take part in the latter kind of discovery. But all valid archaeological discoveries and scientific conclusions about them are based on material evidence, first and foremost. The Michigan Archaeological Society plays a critical role in the discovery and documentation of the story of Michigan’s past, a role that we can continue if we expand our base of support while replacing a frivolous story with one full of the richness of scientific inquiry, and disseminating that story to the public.

Acknowledgments. This paper is a revision of an address presented to the 1995 Annual Meeting of the Michigan Archaeological Society, East Lansing, Michigan, April 23, 1995. I’d like to thank Scott Beld for encouraging me to submit these thoughts to The Michigan Archaeologist for publication. Thanks to Mark Hill for introducing the pgymy Phoenicians to Michigan archaeology.

Department of Social Sciences/Archaeology Lab Michigan Technological University Houghton MI 49931


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Wilkie, Katharine E.

Katharine E. Wilkie (1904-1980) was the author of Atlantis[1488], a general overview of theories relating to Plato’s lost ‘island’.

Archive 2058

The historicity of Ramayana

by Neil Kiriella

While studying Ramayana to find proof of its historicity I was taken aback to find that Valmiki had recorded that a huge part of Rawana’s Kingdom; Lankapura, submerged overnight after his death. Some theories helped me in my study of Valmiki’s Lankapura and Plato’s writings; Timaeus and Critias in which he presents, a portrayal of perfect society that lived millenniums before the traditional Greek times.

Valmiki, The author of Ramayana.

The word by which Plato described Atlantis is ‘Nesos’; it’s the Greek word for ‘island’. As such Atlantis is not a continent but an island.

Some western scholars who explore on lost civilisations hide facts of India and surface Egypt and Sumeria. These scholars instead of placing the Veddhas above or equal to the Egyptian Pyramids reduced them to the ratings of ignorant Nomads of Central Asia. It has to be accepted that it is India which preserved ancient human legacy; both material and spiritual. The Indian archaeological relics are among the largest and oldest in the world.

For nearly five generations the majority of the Mid Western and Asian nations were colonies of the British Empire.

The empire faced severe management uncertainty and needed a specific device to control. After much effort in 1824 ‘The royal Asiatic Society’ was formed and regulated all cultures under their control and misconstrued the authentic history of Mid Western and Asian countries.

Plato, in 2373 BCE wrote Timaeus and Critias relevant to Atlantis. Since then references on Atlantis was based on Plato’s writings. The word Atlantis was more a household word to western scholars than Lankapura. Yet, millenniums before Plato, Valmiki, the biographer of Rama in 7612 BCE recorded in his compilation Ramayana, that Rawana’s kingdom, Lankapura partly submerged due to a geological calamity overnight after Rawana’s death. Plato described this in his script Timaeus and Critias in 360 BCE.


The western scholars having known of Valmiki’s Ramayana; and its contents called it a myth and highlighted Plato’s scripts which described the identical event. Whenever a study for a submerged land surfaced they referred to Plato’s scripts and searched for Atlantis in the Atlantic Ocean; though there was much valid pre-historical evidence in Valmiki’s Ramayana, I leave this particular point to the readers to come to an unbiased conclusion.

Why did Plato call Greece, Athens and its populace Athenians instead of calling them Greeks? The followers of the Buddha and Christ are called Buddhists and Christians, respectively, irrespective of their ethnicity.

As such it is correct to call the followers of Goddess Athena, Athenians. She was the Goddess whom they revered while living near Saraswathi River before it dried up. The Greeks treasured her so much so that the capital of Greece is named in her honour, as Athens.

Plato’ believed that Egyptians got the information from Hindus. Valmiki recorded in Ramayana the sinking of a massive island in a night and identified it as Lankapura. He stated that its populace was greatly skilled in irrigation and engineering.

Plato too described all these skills. In other words whatever Valmiki detailed in Ramayana, Plato too had detailed it in his scripts.

When studying Ramayana a mystery arises. It’s whether Plato had a copy of Ramayana or whether he heard it orally or as a philosopher whether he had clairvoyance. Or else, how did he detail all what was found in Ramayana in his Timaeus and Critias.

Rig Veda refers to Lankapura as Rutas and depicts its people as Asuras; sun-worshippers, teetotallers, vegetarians and agriculturists who worked with nature. Rawana their Emperor was a great monarch but had two deadly weaknesses, arrogance and women. Due to them Rawana became evil and cruel.


Plato called this submerged island Atlantis, and Homer called it Troy. Plato and Homer were Greeks and they were unaware of their beginnings. What is Plato’s account? Atlantis was a great island and its control extended beyond the ‘Pillars of Hercules’. He recalls the superior culture that existed 10,000 years ago that had a powerful navy that dominated Africa and Western Europe but their kingdom partly submerged overnight. Plato’s Atlantis was close to where his ancestors lived 10,000 years ago. According to surfaced facts they are a group of Indo-Europeans that migrated to Greece.

Sanskrit grammarian Panini confirms that Greeks were in India and helped him to compile grammar but grammatical traditions do not exist in Greece.

The Greek historian Megasthenes identified Hercules, as the Hindu God Krishna. Is it a twist of fate or Indian authority on Greeks? Hercules (Krishna) as such it can be argued, talks of India. By the word pillar did Plato indicate the island in the south east of India, Sri Lanka?

The name Lemuria was first used in 1864 by zoologist Phillip L. Sclater who took hold of the word from Lemur (monkey) from Madagascar. None knew how the animal got to India.

Thus in honour of Lemurs it was named Lemuria by zoologist Phillip L. Sclater for reasons known to him.

Though some call Ramayana a legend, yet, there are many academics, literary pundits and historians who declare that Ramayana is historical. They base their claim on the rock inscriptions and places of historical and legendary importance in Sri Lanka pertaining to Rama – Seetha and Rawana. Rawana’s kingdom is accepted, as Sri Lanka.

The pre-Mahavamsa kingdom of Emperor Rawana in the deep-southeast of Sri Lanka in closeness to Arugambay was sunken by a tragic earthquake, volcanic eruption or tsunami and was destroyed overnight and was detailed by Valmiki who lived long enough to record Rama’s life to its end.

Rawana kingdom

This geological disaster surfaces evidence that the ‘Rawana Kingdom’ existed. The light houses in the deep south east of Sri Lanka were built on its leftovers. Is Sri Lanka the remaining part of the sunken island? There is realistic evidence that the present Sri Lanka as the remainder of the submerged island, as illustrated by Ramayana and Plato’s Timaeus and Critias.

Danish marine archaeologists discovered a large submerged (475,000 sq kms) landmass in the deep south east of Sri Lanka at Godawaya, on March 14, 2009.

It is the celebrated lost island of Lankapura called Irisiyawa in Lankan legends closely linked to the culture and history of Sri Lankans. This proves the location of the much explored Lankapura – Atlantis – Lemuria.

The world was started in the 1930s by the claim of a Hungarian scientist, who lived in Paris. Easter island’s Rongo-rongo has derived from the Indus Valley script of 2082 BCE, or even prior to it. A script similar to the Indus-script has been found on Easter island.

The Indians had a vast amount of influence and power in the pre-history. A remarkable Easter island legend says; ‘The first race that invented the Rongo-rongo writing, wrote on stone. Four parts of the world at one time were occupied by them and this race still exists in Asia. Interestingly, Mohenjo Daro and Easter island lie almost exactly 180 degrees.

Evidence strongly suggests that the origins of Greeks and Indo Europeans were in India.

The spread of Indo-European culture around the world can be explained as, “The spreading of the Vedic culture throughout the world due to the widespread sea trade links the Indus Valley civilisation had globally”.

Greeks and Indians are linked by their deities, philosophy, medical systems and social structure. Greeks originated in India and their distant memories were Indian.

The Indian philosophy is much older than the Greek philosophy. How did it appear in Greece abruptly? The answer is that the Greeks were in India and migrated out of India after the drying up of the Saraswathi River around 2200 BCE.

Present Geological researchers confirm that there was a severe drought for three centuries around 2200 BCE, which severely affected civilisations in India, West Asia, and North Africa. With all this new persuasive historical findings the historians have pushed the Vedic era to the Indus Valley civilisation. The data prove that the Indo-Eruopeans including the Greeks were in India and migrated around 2200 BCE.

Rama – Rawana war

The Greeks who were living in India were less-urban and more agrarian in the Mahabharata age around 3000 BCE.

If 7612 BCE is the correct timing of Ramayana, this is when the war between India and Lanka took place. Ramayana refers to it as Rama-Rawana war. Plato held that Atlantis (Lanka) attacked Athens (India), which name derived from Goddess Athena.

Though Plato is certain that Atlantis (Lanka) attacked Athens (India) we have to accept Valmiki’s recording in Ramayana as Athens (India) attacked Atlantis (Lanka) as he recorded all events as it happened.

The war erupted between these two countries as Rawana abducted Seetha, Rama’s wife as hostage in revenge of Lakshamana; Seetha’s brother-in-Law attacking his sister Suparnika who was the governess in Dandaka-Aranya.

Astronomical dating places Ramayana to 9612 years.

It confirms that these happenings took place around 7612 BCE and is further confirmed by the dates quoted by Plato ‘when the war between Atlantis and Athens took place’.

The astronomical dating of Ramayana and other Vedic scriptures are honest, as the early Indians genuinely recorded them to date special events in their history, especially the birth of major kings.

Dr. Vartak confirms that Ramayana was written 9612 years ago, which is roughly 7612 BCE. The astronomical data given in Ramayana can be used positively to date the birth of King Rama.

The mystery of the history of Valmiki’s Lankapura, Rig Veda’s ruta, Plato’s Atlantis, what zoologist Phillip L. Sclater’s Lemuria come to an end with the discovery of 475,000 sq kms of landmass in the deep south-east of Sri Lanka by marine archaeologists. Historians have identified Valmiki’s Lankapura later called Atlantis or the submerged island in one night, as the present Sri Lanka of which a small portion remains. The following points are important to consider;

* The sinking of Lankapura (Atlantis) and Rama’s life history are detailed in Ramayana.

Valmiki recorded this island in the life history of Rama; the Ramayana. Valmiki is accurate because he recorded the incident as it happened. Plato referred to Atlantis very much later than Valmiki. As such we have accepted Valmiki’s version as more authentic.

Max Mueller’s made-up ‘Aryan Theory’ can be totally rejected. Indians originated in India.

The information collected from the excavations of the Indus Valley reveals that Vedic literature and the Indus Valley civilisation match. It confirms that the Indi-Europeans originated in India and migrated out of India. Therefore Greeks originated in India and their distant memories and legends are Indian.

The migration took place probably during the declining phase of the Indus Valley civilisation, when the Saraswathi River began to dry. It is now accepted geologically. During this phase we can find Indo-European cultures appearing in Central Asia and Europe.

The only record of Atlantis we have is from Plato. Its location is portrayed west of the Straits of Hercules. Plato himself did not visit Altantis. According to Megasthenes Hercules is Krishna.

Astronomical evidence confirms that the incident took place around 9612 BCE. It positively matches with Plato’s account of Atlantis and submerged on the date he assigns to it.

Thus, there stands very strong proof to accept that Atlantis is Sri Lanka. Thus, Plato did not make it up; it really existed.

Ramayan is the life history of Rama and it details many more incidents of Rama even after the submerging of Lankapura. As such it’s a historical chronicle.


In accordance with the evidence and facts surfaced, it can be considered Sri Lanka, as the much sought after location of Lankapura or Atlantis named Irisiyawa by the Lankans in pre-historical times and also referred to in Lankan epistle poems.

The evidence will compel the western scholars to admit that they are of a recent culture compared to the Asians and that the Asians dominated the primeval of the world.

The exact astronomical dating compiled by Valmiki, the writings of Greek Philosopher Plato and many others from the beginning of the 19th century provided guidance to locate it.

With the recent discovery of a submerged land in the deep-south east Lanka many credible theories have surfaced.

Accordingly, Sri Lanka is part of the submerged island. The submerged huge landmass is identified, on the meticulous leads given first by Valmiki and then by Plato.

Historians, archaeologists and scholars from the east and the west called Valmiki’s Ramayana an epic, a myth, a spiritual text but they completely overlooked the validity that it contained events of 9612 BCE recorded by Valmiki.

Tale or legend as a rule, shoots from some historical facts and so it is with Atlantis; identified in the deep south east of Sri Lanka and with it the Ramayana prophesy is evident. The truth is evident. Ramayana is the historical biography of Rama.

The writer is the Chairman, Sri Lanka Heritages Foundation. He participated in the Ramayana Festival and Conference held in Chennai, India recently.

Chronology of Atlantis Theories – Sept 2017


A Chronology of Atlantis Location Theories and their Proponents

Apart from a few exceptions, I have arbitrarily excluded occultists, psychics and theosophists, as I believe that they generally have little of value to offer.


3rd Cent.
Tertullian (160-220 AD) Atlantic
12th Cent.
Honorius Augustodunensis (Fl.1107-1140)


15th Cent
1499 Maximillian I Azores
16th Cent.
Tomasso Garzoni (1549-1589) Atlantic
1525 Bibischok Malta
1527 Bartolomé de las Casas America
1530 Girolamo Fracastoro West Indies
1539 Ferdinand Colombus Atlantic
1549 Hieronomio Garimberto America
1553 Francisco Lopez de Gomara America
1556 Giambattista Ramusio America
1557/64 Francisco Cervantes de Salazar America?
1561 Guillaume Postel North America
1564 John Dee America
1565 Girolamo Benzoni America
1566 Humphrey Gilbert America
1572 Pedro Sarmiento de Gamboa America
1578 Jean deSerres The Holy Land
1580 Johannes Goropius Becanus Andalusia
1584 Justus Lipsius Atlantic
1592 Juan de Mariana Spain
1595 Abraham Ortelius North America
1595? Tommaso Campanella Atlantic
1597 Cornelius Wytfliet America
1598 Peter Albinus America
1600 Richard Hakluyt West Indies
17th Cent.
Johannes Bureus (1568-1652) Sweden
François de laMothe laVayer (1588-1672) Greenland
Isaac Vossius (1618-1689) The Holy Land
1610 Francis Bacon America
1624-9 Philipp Clüver Atlantic
1635 John Swan America
1650 Gerardus Johannis Vossius The Holy Land
1652 Georgius Hornius America
1659 Vincent Placcius America
1665 Athanasius Kircher Azores
1667 Nicolas Sanson America
1670 Johann C. Becmann Atlantic
1673 José Pellicer de Ossau Salas Andalusia
1674 John Josselyn America
1679 Pierre Daniel Huet The Holy Land
1679 Olaf Rudbeck Sweden
1685 G. K. Kirchmaier & Johann C.Bock North Africa
1687 Carl Lundius Sweden
1683 Jens Bircherod America
1700 John Wallis England
18th Cent.
1707 Christoph Cellarius Atlantic
1707 Johann Albert Fabricius Holy Land
1715 Peter Van Eys Holy Land
1717 J. Pitton de Tournefort Atlantic
1721 Cotton Mather Atlantic
1726 Claude-Mathieu Olivier Holy Land
1729 Charles César Baudelot de Dairval Atlantic
1731 Heinrich Scharbau Holy Land
1745 Hafer Baltic Sea (Rugen)
1749 Nicolas Fréret Syrtis Major (Libya)
1751 Johannes Jacobi Eurenius Holy Land
1762 Carl Fredrich Baër Holy Land
1765 Voltaire Madeira?
1767 Samuel Engel Atlantic
1768 Corneille DePauw Central America
1769 Robert de Vaugondy North America
1772/3 José Viera y Clavijo Canaries, Azores etc.
1777 Charles de Brosses Atlantic
1780 Guillaume T. F. Raynal Atlantic
1778 Jean-Silvain Bailly Arctic
1778? Lorenzo Hervás Atlantic
1778 John Whitehurst Ireland
1778 Georges-Louis L. Buffon Atlantic
1779 Delisle de Sales The Caucasus
1781 Michael Hissmann Atlantic
1781? Court de Géblin Corsica & Sardinia
1785 Jean-Marcel Cadet Atlantic
1786 Jacques-Julien Bonnard Holy Land
1787 Edme Mentelle Atlantic
1788 Giovanni Rinaldo Carli Atlantic
1792 Thomas Pennant Britain
1796 Paul Felix Cabrera Hispaniola
1797 Jean-Claude Delaméthrie Atlantic
1799? Richard Kirwin Atlantic
19th Cent.
1801 Antoine Fabre d’Olivet Mediterranean
1802 S. M. X. de Golbéry Atlantic
1803 J.B. Bory de Saint Vincent Canaries
1806 Charles Joseph deGrave Netherlands/Belgium
1810 Andre-Pierre Ledru Atlantic
1813 P.F.J. Gosselin Canaries
1814 Ali Bey El Abassi North Africa
1816 George Stanley Faber Atlantic
1819 Pierre Andre Latreille Attica
1829 J. H. McCulloh Atlantic
1830 Heinrich-Julius von Klaproth West. Mediterranean
1833 Josiah Priest Atlantic
1836 Constantine Samuel Rafinesque America
1838 Gottfried Stallbaum America
1840 Angelo Mazzoldi Italy
1840 Asahel Davis Atlantic
1841 John Ramsay McCulloch Central America
1843 J.F. Jolibois Atlantic
1846 Edward Forbes Atlantic
1847 Eugene Bodichon North Africa
1848 Marie-Armand Pascal d’Avezac Atlantic
1850 Brasseur de Bourbourg Hispaniola
1854 Giorgio Grongnet deVasse Malta
1854 Avraam Sirgeivitch Norov Mediterranean
1858 Robert Eduard Prutz America
1859 A. Snider-Pellegrini Brazil
1859 Camillo Ravioli Italy
1860 Franz Joseph Unger Atlantic
1861 Henry Davis Atlantic
1863 Edward Taylor Fletcher Atlantic
1864 Jerome Nickles Atlantic
1866 Charles Frédéric Martin Azores, Ireland & Spain
1866 B.C.Seemann Atlantic
1867 Patrick Neison Lynch America
1868 D.A. Godron North Africa
1869 Paul Gaffarel Atlantic
1871 Eugene Pégot-Ogier Canaries+
1872 Louis Figuier Thera
1872 Edward Fontaine Central America
1873 Alexandre-César Moreau de Jonnés Sea of Azov
1874 Etienne Felix Berlioux Algeria
1875 L.M. Hosea Atlantic
1876 Leon de Rosny Central America
1876 Gustave Lagneau Morocco
1877 Jacinto Verdaguer Catalonia
1880 John Thomas Short Mid Atlantic Ridge
1882 Ignatius Donnelly Azores+
1883 W.H.O. Smeaton Atlantic
1883 Théodore Vibert America
1883? Chedomille Mijatovich Atlantic
1884 A. E. D’Albertis Atlantic
1884 Charles Tissot Atlantic
1884 W.J.Colville Azores
1884 W. S. Blackett Atlantic
1885 Hyde Clarke Hipaniola
1885 Auguste Nicaise Atlantic
1885 W.F. Warren Arctic
1888 Alexander Winchell Atlantic (Canaries)
1889 Enrique Onffroy de Thoron America
1890 Ernest Theodore Hamy Atlantic
1891 Eduardo Saavedra Morocco
1892 Jesse King Atlantic
1892 Daniel Wilson America
1893 Patroclus Kampanakis Atlantic
1893 A.F.R. Knötel Morocco
1896 M. De Lopateki Mexico/ Cent. America
1897 Aleksandr Nikolaevich Karnozhitsky Eastern Mediterranean
1897 Theodore L. Urban America
1899 W.B. Wallace Atlantic
1900? V. B. Cushing Atlantic
20th Cent.
1903 R.F. Scharff Atlantic
1906 Hans-Peny Hirmenech North Sea
1906 Broughton Brandenburg Honduras
1907 Jean Léopold Courcelle-Seneuil France
1907 Edwin J. Houston Atlantic
1908 C.H. Elgee Nigeria
1909 K.T. Frost Minoans
1910 James Baikie Crete
1910 John Borg Strait of Sicily
1910 Edward Hull Azores
1910 Leo Frobenius Nigeria
1911 André de Paniagua Sea of Azov
1911 James H. Anderson Atlantic
1911 Albert Gruhn W. Mediterranean
1911 Marion McMurrough Mulhall Atlantic
1911 Walter Yeeling Evans-Wentz Atlantic
1912 Pierre Termier Atlantic
1912 Domingos Leite de Castro Britain
1913 P.G. Mahoudeau Mediterranean
1913 Nicolae Densusianu Romania
1913 H.A. Fussell Atlantic
1914 S. Bashinsky Australia
1914 Jean d’Eraines Arctic
1914 José Maria Pereira de Lima Atlantic
1914 Walter Leaf Crete
1915 Francisco Luís Pereira de Sousa Atlantic
1915 Arvid Högbom North Sea
1916 Lucas Fernandez Navarro Canaries
1916 William Richard Harris Atlantic
1917 Edwin Swift Balch Crete
1917 Gunnar Rudberg Syracuse?
1918 Onésime Reclus N. W. Africa
1919 Juan Fernandez Amador de los Rios Andalusia
1919 Charles Cotte Spain
1919 John Henry Vignaud Atlantic
1920 René-Maurice Gattefossé Atlantic
1920 Aimé Louis Rutot Morocco
1920 Robert Rengifo Antarctica
1920 Karl Georg Zschaetzsch Atlantic
1920 Mario Vivarez Morocco
1921 George H. Cooper Britain
1921 Louis Emile Gentil Morocco
1922 Joseph Bosco Malta
1923 Antonio Blázquez y Delgado-Aguilera Andalusia
1923 Boris Dobrynin Canaries
1923 Conor MacDari Ireland
1923 R.A. Fessenden Caucasus
1923 Joseph McCabe Crete
1923 Marcel Pollet Holland & Belgium
1923 Donald A. Mackenzie Crete
1924 Lewis Spence Atlantic
1924 Roger Dévigne Atlantic
1924 Friedrich Wencker-Wildberg Atlantic
1925 William Comyns Beaumont Britain
1925 F. Butavand Tunisia
1925 A. Selwyn Brown Atlantic
1925 Alphonse Berget Atlantic
1925 Byron Kuhn de Prorok North Africa
1925 George Lynch Brazil?
1925 Otto Jessen Andalusia
1926 Claudius Roux North Africa
1926 B.L. Bogaevsky Canaries
1926 Ludwig Borchardt Chott el-Jerid
1927 Edwin Björkman Andalusia
1927 Paul Borchardt Tunisia
1927 Edgar Dacque Cape Verde
1927 Albert Herrmann Tunisia
1927 Adolph Schulten Andalusia
1928 L.S. Berg Aegean
1928 Paul Couissin Atlantic
1928 E. M. Whishaw Andalusia
1928 Leonce Joleaud Tunisia
1929 Victor Bérard North Africa
1929 Ralph van Deman Magoffin Crete
1930 Otto Silbermann Libya
1930 Paul Le Cour Canaries
1931 Josef Karst N.Africa & Arabian Sea
1931 Siegfried Kadner Arctic
1932 Jean Gattefossé North Africa
1932 J. Fitzgerald Lee Atlantic
1932 Rafael Requena Atlantic
1933 Herbert Edward Forrest Atlantic
1933 João de Almeida Atlantic
1933 Bernard Marque North Africa
1935 F. Gidon Celtic Shelf
1935 W.J. Sidis Atlantic
1935 D.I.Mushketov Atlantic
1936 Louis de Launay Mexico
1936 Pierre Buffault Atlantic
1935 F.A. Mitchell-Hedges Honduras
1936 Mário Saa Sicily+
1937 James Bramwell Atlantic
1937 Evelino Leonardi Italy, Monte Circeo,
1938 John Foster Forbes Atlantic
1939 Spyridon Marinatos Minoan Crete
1939 Vittorio Calestani Britain
1939 Charles Panzetta Chatwin Atlantic
1939 Robert Stacy-Judd Atlantic
1940 Kurt Bilau Mid-Atlantic Ridge
1940 Ernesto Morales Atlantic
1940 Dimitri Merezhkovski Azores/Canaries
1940 Raffaele Bendandi Atlantic
1940 George Isaac Bryant Atlantic
1940 Alexander Braghine Atlantic
1945 Georges Poisson Crete
1946 Harold Tom Wilkins Sth. America
1946 Harold Augustin Calahan Atlantic
1947 J. Koumaris Mediterranean
1948 Hans Schindler Bellamy Atlantic?
1948 Hans Pettersson Mid-Atlantic Ridge
1948 M.V.Klenova Atlantic
1948 C. C. Hardy Aegean?
1949 Egerton Sykes Mid-Atlantic Ridge
1949 Robert Lorentz Scranton Lake Copaïs, Greece
1949 Nikola Bonev Atlantic
1950 Henri Lhote Sahara
1951 Wilhelm Brandenstein Crete
1951 Rachael Carson Dogger Bank
1951 René Malaise Atlantic
1951 Nicola Russo Azores
1952 A.N.Nazarovich Atlantic
1953 Jürgen Spanuth North Sea
1954 Émile Mir Chaouat Libya
1955 Costantino Cattoi Atlantic
1955 Robert Graves Tunisia
1955 E. F. Hagemeister Azores
1956 I.A. Yefremov Mediterranean
1956 Maria Lamas Madeira
1958 Nicolai Zhirov Azores
1958 Charles Hapgood Mid- Atlantic
1960 A. Galanopoulos Minoan
1960 José Álvarez López Atlantic
1961 Ivar Lissner Spain
1961 Yuri Knorosov Spain
1962 Geoffrey Ashe Antillies
1963 J. G. Bennett Thera
1963 Marcel Homet Atlantic
1963 Leonardo Bettini Atlantic
1965 Alf Bajocco North Africa
1965 Karola Siebert Peru
1965 President   Sukarno (Indonesia) Atlantic
1966 Rhys Carpenter Thera
1967 P. B.S. Andrews Thera
1968 William R. Fix Atlantic
1968 René Capart Libya
1969 Edward Bacon Thera
1969 Willy Ley Thera
1969 Peter Kolosimo Atlantic
1969 L. Taylor Hansen Atlantic
1969 J. V. Luce Minoan
1969 Joachim Rehork Minoan
1969 Charles Berlitz Canaries+
1969 James W. Mavor Thera
1970 Livio Catullo Stecchini Saõ Tomé
1970 Margaret Joan Anstee America
1971 Henry M. Eichner Minoan
1971 Jean Mazel North Africa?
1971 Pauwels & Bergier Andes
1971 Prince Michael of Greece Crete
1971 Nils Olof Bergquist Dogger Bank
1971 Lereno Barradas Portugal
1971 Nicholas Platon Minoan
1971 Brinsley Le Poer Trench Azores
1972 T. C. Lethbridge Cape Trafalgar
1972 Gilbert Pillot Canaries?
1972 Nicholas William Tschoegl Minoan Crete
1973 Maxine Asher Spain
1973 James Bailey America
1974 Flavio Barbiero Antarctica
1974 Anthony Roberts Atlantic
1974 Richard Mooney Thera/Crete
1974 Robert Charroux Atlantic
1975 Gerhard Herm Baltic
1975 Philippe Aziz South America
1975 Karl A. Frank Sahara
1975 Louis Charpentier Atlantic
1976 Juan G. Atienza Atlantic
1976 Rupert Furneaux Minoan Crete
1976 Gerhard Herm see 1975 North Sea
1976 Albert Slosman Atlantic
1976 Otto Muck Atlantic
1977 Martin Ebon Thera
1977 Uwe Topper Cádiz (Spain)
1977 Marius Lleget Azores+
1977 Robert Scrutton North Sea
1977 Ralph Franklin Walworth Atlantic
1977 Robert Schmalz Tunisia/Algeria
1978 Manfred Hocke Atlantic
1978 Alain Bombard Crete
1978 George Firman Atlantic
1978 Gerd von Hassler Atlantic
1978 Francis Hitching Crete
1979 R. Cedric Leonard Atlantic
1979 Jack Countryman Gibraltar
1979 Eduardo Robles y Guiterrez Mexico
1979 Vassilios Paschos Atlantic
Pabhat Rainjan Sarkar
1980 Richard Wingate Caribbean
1980 Giuseppe Alaimo Atlantic
1980 Phyllis Young Forsyth Sicily
1980 Maurice Chatelain Bahamas
1982 Kirsten Bang Wadden Sea(Nth Sea)
1982 H. R. Stahel Atlantic
1982 Isaac Asimov Thera
1982 Paolo Valente Poddighe Sardinia
1982 Peter Warlow Azores
1983 Marjorie Braymer Aegean
1983 G.A. Baraldi Brazil
1983 Hans Steuerwald Celtic Shelf
1984 Zoltán Simon Bahamas
1984 Katherine A. Folliot Iberia
1984 Manuel Gómez Márquez Canaries
1985 David Wood Azores
1985 Emilio Spedicato Hispaniola
1986 Andrzej Marks Atlantic ?
1985 Ronnie Alonzo Atlantic
1986 Helmut Tributsch Megalithic Brittany
1987 Luciano Lecca Atlantic
1988 Joseph S. Ellul Malta
1988 Eberhard Zangger Troy
1988 Duane McCullough Guatemala
1989 Jorge Maria Ribero-Meneses Nth. Spain
1989 Stan Deyo Aden (Yemen)
1989 José Antunes Portugal
1989 Winfried Huf Lipari Islands
1989 Silvio Valeri Atlantic
1989 Diamantis Pastras Cyclades + Astipalea
1990 Jean Deruelle North Sea
1991 Murry Hope Atlantic
1991 Doris Manner Baltic
1991 Charles Pellegrino Thera
1992 Paul Dunbavin British Isles
1992 Marcos Martinez Hernandez Canaries
1992 Enrico Clemente Mattievich Kucich Troy (in America)
1992 Michio Kushi & Edward Esko Atlantic
1992 Joachim Rittstieg Guatemala
1993 Roger Mermet North Sea
1993 Antonio Zichichi Atlantic
1993 Jackson Judge America (Ohio)
1994 Henry B. Ambrose England
1994 Vlaceslav Jurikov Lipari Islands
1995 Rand & Rose Flem-Ath Antarctica
1995 V. Koudriavtsev Celtic Shelf
1995 Costas Socratous Atlantic
1995 Nigel Blair Atlantic
1995 Adrian Gilbert & Maurice Cotterell Caribbean
1995 Heinz Kaminski Atlantic
1995 Felice Vinci Baltic
1995 Peter James Anatolia
1996 June Power Chaplin Maine
1996 William Lauritzen Sth China Sea
1996 Angelo Pitoni Atlantic
1996 Colin Wilson Antarctica,see 2005
1997 Martin Freksa India
1997 Roland M. Horn Atlantic
1997 Walter Stender Helgoland
1997 Shirley Andrews Atlantic Ridge
1997 Paul A. LaViolette Metaphor
1997 David Furlong Atlantic
1997 John Gordon Canaries+
1997 Henriette Mertz S. E. USA
1997 Arysio Nunes dos Santos Sth. China Sea
1997 Christian O’Brien Azores
1998 Jim Allen Bolivia
1998 Nigel Appleby Antarctica
1998 Michael Baigent Atlantic
1998 Ian Fox Greenland
1998 Rodney Castleden Crete
1998 Jacques Gossart Atlantic
1998 Marcel Mestadgh France
1998 James Bowles Antarctica
1998 Alison Moroney Lake Victoria
1998 Wolter Smit Atlantic
1998 Vladimir Pakhomov Atlantic
1998 Zapp & Erikson Meso-America
1999 Vittorio Castellani Atlantic
1999 Thorwald C. Franke Sicily
1999 Daniel Fleck Atlantic
1999 Bill McGuire Thera
1999 Herbie Brennan Atlantic?
1999 Lucien Geradin Atlantic
1999 Sean Bambrough Tiwanaku
2000 Constantin Benetatos Mediterranean
2000 Andrew Collins Cuba
2000 David Hatcher Childress Mid-Atlantic
2000 David Rohl Atlantic
2000 Erich von Däniken Troy?
2000 Robert Paul Ishoy Sardinia
2000 Georgeos Diaz-Montexano Gibraltar
2000 Rex Gilroy Australia
2000 Jim Alison Cape Verde
2000 Axel Hausmann Sicily/Malta
2000 Robertino Solarion Antarctica
21st Cent
2001 Alberto Arecchi Tunisia
2001 Christiane Dittmann Malta
2001 Jörg Dendl Atlantic
2001 Geryl & Ratinckx Antarctica
2001 Jacques Collina-Girard Gibraltar
2001 Peter Jakubowski Sicily
2001 Gene Matlock Mexico
2001 Anton Mifsud Malta
2001 Paulino Zamarro Cyclades
2001 Jean-Louis Pagé Arctic
2001 Hubert Zeitlmair Malta
2001 Radek Brychta Dholavira
2001 Gerry Forster Atlantic
2001 David Calvert-Orange Malta
2002 Roger Coghill Faro
2002 Zia Abbas Sth China Sea
2002 Dean Clarke Atlantic
2002 Gernot Spielvogel Azores
2002 Gerd Vandecruys Canaries
2002 Ralph Ellis Aegean Sea
2002 Sergio Frau Sardinia
2002? René Frank Azores
2002 Sarah Steiner Caribbean
2002 John Cogan Azores
2002 Andi Zinelli Albania
2002 Jonas Bergman Morocco
2002 Francis Galea Malta
2002 A.I. Zolotukhin Black Sea
2002 Rainer W. Kühne Andalusia
2002 Tamman Kisrawi Malta
2002 Mario Tozzi Sardinia
2003 Dennis Brooks Florida
2003 Jeff Allan Danelek The Tropics
2003 Jacques Hébert Socotra
2003 Georg Lohle North Sea
2003 Graham Phillips Thera
2003 Dan Crisp Celtic Shelf
2003 Robert Sarmast Cyprus
2003 Alfred E. Schmeck Sicily
2003 Werner Wickboldt Andalusia
2003 Paulo Riven Josephine Seamount
2004 Ulf Erlingsson Ireland
2004 Karl Jürgen Hepke Andalusia
2004 Ulrich Hofmann Algeria
2004 N. R. James Egypt
2004 Guy Gervis North Sea
2004 Andis Kaulins Mediterranean
2004 Jacques Lebeau Minoan
2004 Luana Monte Minoan
2004 Hans–Wilhelm Rathjen Helgoland
2004 Diego Silvio Novo Sardinia
2004 Tom Pfeiffer Minoan!
2004 Christian & Siegfried Schoppe Black Sea
2004 Alexander Voronin North Atlantic
2004 Flying Eagle & Whispering Wind Sea of Azov
2004 Albert Chechelnitsky Alaska
2004 Sunil Prasannan Sundaland
2004 Adrian Bucurescu Romania
2005 Greg Alexander Mt. Kilimanjaro
2005 Carlos Barceló Atlantic
2005 Gregory L. Walker America
2005 Günter Bischoff Helgoland
2005 George Pararas-Carayannis Minoan
2005 Thomas K. Dietrich America
2005 Philip Gardiner America
2005 Ranko Jakovljevic Danube
2005 Christian C. Karam Atlantic
2005 Monique Petersen America
2005 Gernot L. Geise & Reinhard Prahl Antarctica
2005 Kurt L. Lambeck Aegean
2005 Jaime Manuschevich Israel/Sinai
2005 K. L. Margiani Azores
2005 Stavros Papamarinopoulos Iberia
2005 Clyde A. Winters Mexico
2005 Colin Wilson Cyprus
2005 Philip Gardiner Mexico
2005 Rosario Vieni Mediterranean


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Ivar Zapp


Costa Rica

2006 ‘Anonymous’ Libya
2006 Bill Hanson Bahamas
2006 Ashok Malhotra Indus Culture
2006 Yashwant Koak Indus Culture
2006 Johann Saltzman Morocco
2006 Marco Guido Corsini North Atlantic
2006 Werner E. Friedrich Black Sea
2006 Nicolas Fenning Cyprus
2006 Hossam Aboulfotouh Nile Delta
2006 John Saxer Florida
2007 Kurt Bangert Black Sea
2007 Jürgen Schulberger Peru
2007 Heidrun Beisswenger Helgoland
2007 Marcello Cosci Sherbro Island


Mario Dantas Greenland
2007 Axel Famiglini Atlantic
2007 Carl Festin East Mediterranean
2007 Robert S. Fritzius Sweden
2007 Peter Jakubowski Sicily/Malta
2007 Dominique Jongbloed Bahamas
2007 Paolo Marini Azores
2007 Hendrik Bruins Crete
2007 David Hughes Azores
2007 Albert Spyro Nikas Malta
2007 R. McQuillen Pharos
2007 Steven Sora Iberia
2007 John Michael Greer Bahamas?
2008 David Antelo Beni (Bolivia)
2008 Fatih Hodži? Adriatic
2008 Jennifer Coelho-Teeluck Panama
2008 Elena P. Mitropetrou Iberian Peninsula
2008 Ticleanu, Constantin & Nicolescu Pannonian Plain
2008 Therese Ghembaza Meroë
2008 Ellis Peterson North Atlantic
2008 M. Rapisarda Sicily
2008 Michael Hübner Sth. Morocco
2008 August Hunt Persia
2008 Walter Baucum North Sea
2008 Antonis N. Kontaratos Poverty Point (USA)
2008 Carl Martin Azores
2008 Jesse Neel Yucatan Peninsula
2008 Theodoros V. Paschos Atlantic
2008 George Sarantitis North W. Africa
2008 Gerald Wells W. Algeria
2008 Antonio Usai Greenland
2008 Amy Smith Caribbean
2008 Guillaume Delaage Atlantic
2009 Doug Fisher Argentina
2009 Harry Dale Huffman Greenland
2009 Edward Alexander South America
2009 Riaan Booysen Australia
2009 Pier Paolo Saba Atlantic
2009 F. X. Aloisio Malta
2009 Joseph Robert Jochmans Atlantic
2009 J. D. Brady Bay of Troy
2009 Donald Ingram Britain (Wessex II)
2009 Richard W. Welch Atlantic
2009 Robert L. Gielow Cyprus
2009 Norman Frey Cuba
2009 Charles D. Pfund Atlantic
2010 Izabol Apulia Aegean Sea
2010 Carlo Dorofatti Azores
2010 Emmet Sweeney Azores
2010 Dale Drinnon Azores
2010 Charles Savona-Ventura Malta
2010 Fiancy Torres Dominican Republic
2010 Ward & Ward Ireland
2010 Walter Schilling S.W. Europe
2010 Marco Francesco Bulloni N.W. Russia
2010 Eduardo Miquel Atlantic
2010 Bodie Hodge Azores?
2010 Haraldur Sigurdsson Minoan?
2010 Gavin Menzies Crete
2010 Eckart Kahlhofer North-West Europe
2010 Wilhelm Pilgram Atlantic
2011 Richard Freund Andalusia
2011 Héctor Gonzalez Guyana Highlands
2011 Brien Foerster Atlantic
2011 Charla Jean Morris Atlantic
2011 Walter Parks Azores
2011 Wolfgang Haverkamp Mid-Atlantic Ridge
2011 Silverio deMelo Azores
2011 George S. Alexander & Natalis Rosen Mauritania
2011 Lee R. Kerr Thera
2011 Bert Boekschoten Atlantic
2011 Adi Krdžali? Atlantic
2012 Michael A. Cahill Black Sea (mouth of)
2012 John Esse Larsen North Sea
2012 Daniel P. Buckley Minoan Crete
2012 Giuseppe Mura Sardinia
2012 Hristo Smolenov Black Sea
2012 Alois Jacob Atlantic
2012 Morten Alexander Joramo Helgoland
2012 Jay Yoon Caribbean Basin
2012 Jack Althouse Caribbean
2012 Poonsab Wongsasukoipak Chiang Mai
2012 Manuel Vega Atlantic (see 2017)
2012 Gorgios Koukoulas Thera
2012 Robert J. Tuttle Balearics?
2012 Philippe Potel-Belner India
2012 Giuseppe Palermo Acri, Italy
2013 Peter Daughtrey Portugal
2013 Skender Hushi Atlantic
2013 Melville Nicholls Britain
2013 Dustin Kolb Mexico
2013 Oliver D. Smith Sesklo, Greece
2013 Danny Hilman Natawidjaja Indonesia
2013 Jose D.C. Hernandez Richat Structure
2013 Robert John Langdon Doggerland
2013 Christos A.Djonis Aegean Sea
2013 Arno Behrends North Sea
2013 Qusai Ayman Naser India
2013 Antonio Moro Iberia, France & Italy
2013 Marin, Minella & Schievenin Antarctica ++
2013 He Xianrong Taiwan
2014 Mary Sutherland Appalacia (USA)
2014 Barry Warmkessel Cuba
2014 Antonio Usai Greenland
2014 Javier Recuenco Andrés Canaries (Acropolis)
2014 Michael MacRae Gulf of Cádiz
2014 Thomas Krupa Strait of Sicily
2014 Elias Stergakos Thera
2014 Antonio Moreno Checa Greenland
2014 Stefan Grossman Greenland
2014 “book of thoth Tasmania
2014 Alex Pellejero Thera
2015 “John Lock” (J.Spanuth) Helgoland
2015 Dhani Irwanto Indonesia
2015 Anonymous Mascarene Islands
2015 Sandra Fernandez Almería, Spain
2015 Martin Pepper Santorini
2015 Alessio Toscano North East Italy
2015 Morven Robertson Po Valley, Italy
2015 Britt Du Fournet Antarctica ?
2016 Giovanni Ugas Northwest Africa
2016 Philip Runggaldier Celtic Shelf
2016 Ron Current Santorini
2016 Jean Seimple Antarctica
2016 J.P. Rambling Aegean Sea
2016 Alain Moreau Atlantic



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2017 Marco Goti Greenland
2017 Manuel Vega Madrid, Spain


Christopher, Kevin

Kevin Christopher is a confirmed sceptic, whose paper, Atlantis: No way, No How, No Where (a), is widely available on the internet. It is a lightweight offering, frequently quoting two of the most extreme location theories, such as, Bolivia and Antarctica as justification for his view that the Atlantis story is ‘entirely fictional’.

Christopher also questions the chain of transmission of the story, describing it as ‘tenuous’. If Plato had concocted the Atlantis tale, it is reasonable to expect that he would also have invented a more straightforward provenance. Consequently, any perceived difficulties in this regard, actually enhance the credibility of the narrative.



Eisegesis is a term which describes the interpreting of texts to suit one’s own particular viewpoint and is usually applied to biblical studies. I think it reasonable to also introduce it to the subject of atlantology, where we frequently encounter commentators ‘shoehorning’ details from Plato’s text into their particular theory.

Dimitrov, Petko & Dimitar

Petko & Dimitar Dimitrov are a Bulgarian father and son team, who have written about the pre-flood Varna civilisation which they claim existed on the then exposed Black Sea plain[0998], however, they do not call it Atlantis by name. Their book is available, in English, online(a) as a pdf file.

Their book, The Black Sea, the Flood and the Ancient Myths, which supported much of Ryan & Pitman’s work. Unlike them, who based much of their conclusions on a study of mollusks, the Dimitrovs focused on sedimentation evidence. They also suggest that the Holocene influx into the Black Sea also triggered the Vedic Aryan migration to India(b).