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Thursday, March 17, 2011

Megalith Builders, Red Paint People and Algonquins

Early depiction of Eastern Woodlands natives under the name of “Algonquins”

Hearing that the entire language group including the Algonquins (and the others more generically called Algonkians) is most closely related to Old World languages with a Megalithic connection was revealing to me because the peoples with the Algonquin-related languages are also ones that are otherwise compared to Western Europeans.

In the times when some Anthropologists were into extensive classifications of humans into different subtypes, the Woodlands Native Americans were classified as “Sylvids” and stated to have the closest appearance to Western Europeans. In specific, to the Megalith-builder type of Western Europeans known as Atlanto-Mediterraneans or Iberians (Donnelly uses the term “Iberians” in that sense in 1881) Both types are recognisable by a prominent nose of a certain type, and even a specific proportion of nose length to chin length, and a long form of the skull when seen from above.
So here are some photos comparinng a “Sylvid” to a selection of Atlanto-Mediterraneans, from an Anthropology website that still deals in such things.

It should be most specifically noted that we are not speaking in terms of “Race” when remarking on phenotypes such as these, the more appropriate way to say this would be that there appears to be a family resemblance between peoples that are related. These would be genetic continuities
along lineage lines and not ethnic packages as such. And we are not talking master races here because as far as it seems, various peoples came to America in ancient times and were basically swallowed up together in the melting-pot. So that whatever they might have started out as, they finished up as Americans (Before Columbus)

Shawnee and a an Ottowa. These are also very good portraits of men who had strong facial features resembling those of Europeans.

Alfred Sherwood Romer wrote in the book Man and the Vertebrates (U of Chicago Press, 1941) 0n page 249

“We have every reason to believe that longheaded brunets essentially Mediterranean passed still farther to the Northeast (Northwest?) and become early, perhaps the earliest, inhabitants of the Americas. The Indians are usually classified as a subdivision of the Mongoloids, and rightly so,it seems, as regards the majority of the population. But there are Indians and there are Indians. In many regions there are groups which show few if any of the characters of typical Mongoloids and tend to have long heads, cheekbones less prominent than in typical Mongols, and other features suggesting the basic Mediterranean type…Even in North America the Eastern Indians, now nearly extinct, lacked a full Mongoloid development [and were thus more like Mediterraneans]”

A woman of the Atlanto-Mediterranean type. Native women of the East also tended to resemble this type, from the older depictions.

Several sources have remarked that the first Native Americans met and illustrated by the colonists looked an awful lot like other white men, as illustrated in the old prints. I have heard that spoken in University-level Anthropology courses and Ignatius Donnelly mentioned that in 1881 in his Atlantis, The Antediluvian World. These prints were made by Debry in the 1600s.

The book Men Out Of Asia by Harold Gladwin(mcGraw Hill, 1947) was also written when a more racist view of Physical Anthropology was the norm, and the book hypothesizes a series of different movements of people into America (Gladwin assumes via the Bering Straits)Gladwin’s second migration dating from 15000 to 2500 BC, which he termed Folsom and Negroid: we would tend to think more Clovis and African (Out-of-Africa Solutrean CroMagnons, to be specific)The Third Migration as Gladwin saw it was Algonquin and 2500 to 500 BC. That might have started earlier but it is probably about the right time-window for both the origin of the Language group and the derivation of Megalithic culture, allowing that it survived longer in the New World. It would also presumably include the onset of the Adena mound-building period. Gladwin notices a variety of culture traits including ground-stone celts (small axheads or tomahawk heads)cordmarked pottery and useful woodlands adaptations such as birchbark canoes and snowshoes. In part the Woodlands culture was a lot like the European Mesolithic. Gladwin makes a guess that the basic original Algonquins were probably Mediterraneans but they mixed with peoples from across the whole of Asia: we might read that as meaning of the Eurasian language Superfamily. Gladwin specifically has a point of origin in Spain at 2000-2500 BC (p143-145)

Neolithic Grave Goods from Orkney Islands, Scotland

Typical Megalithic-Neolithic type from a burial in Orkneys at right: “Red Paint” Maritime Archaic burial below, showing a similar if not the same physical type.

Examination of the “Red Paint,” or Maritime Archaic, cultures in Maine show that a seafaring culture flourished there between 4,000 years ago and 7,500 years ago. Remains of swordfish and other deep sea fish, plummets, gouges, slate lance points and toggling harpoons confirm that these were seafarers of considerable skill. Images of whales, and other marine species, as well as stylised bird heads appeared on decorated objects, such as combs and pendants, and funeral sites revealed the use of red ochre at burial sites. The cemeteries were inevitably placed on high hills overlooking the sea.

James Tuck and Robert Mcgee of St.John’s Memorial University uncovered a rectangular stone chamber of upright stones on the coast of Labrador that closely resembled similar stones found on the island of Teviec just off the coast of France. Both were burial sites where the dead were covered with red ochre, and dating of charcoal pieces from ceremonial burnings at these sites have been carbon dated as being 7,500 years old. The graves, like pyramids built in Mesoamerica, were oriented to reflect light at the time of the rising sun on one day only, at the time of the summer solstice. And instead of a red ochre burial we find at these sites an urn containing cremated ashes, obviously a special treatment for a unusual person, a shaman or tribal chief.

The use of ground slate, a material inferior only to metal, in harpoons and bayonets in both northern Scandinavia and the northern shores of the Americas may not by itself reveal a shared maritime culture 7,500 years ago. But the use of red ochre, the similarity of designs and engravings, the use of sea mammal bone and ivory in tools, and a similar use of oil lamps, all point to a shared culture across the North Atlantic.

From Atlantis in America – Navigators of the Ancient World by Ivar Zapp and George Ericson

Slate Tools of the Maritime Archaic Peoples are very similar to Scandinavian Mesolithic and Neolithic ground-slate tools and in turn are similar to ground-slate tools all around the arctic. The similarity of the ground-slate tools on both sides of the Atlantic at about 3000 BC was noted by Scandinavian archaeologists as far back as the 1920s.

Longbladed “Bayonet” And shorter groundslate points below

Many common forms of ground-slate items including the halfmoon-knife or Ulu are illustrated at left. A stone lamp for burning seal oil is below. Similar groundslate artifacts are found in Neolithic and Mesolithic Ireland and in the Orkney Islands: however the oldest ones seem to come from Spain (From Andalucia according to Margaret Whishaw, who notes the use of ground slate used regularly in the place of the more usual Upper Paleolithic in other parts of Spain. Atlantis in Andalucia)

Maritime Archaic burial under a drystone cairn or mound from about 5000 BC from Newfoundland. The structure might truly be called Megalithic and very likely is part of a cultural continuity with similar structures called Megalithic further south in New England.

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This blog is to encorporate discussions on Lost Continents, Catastrophism, The origin of Modern Humans and the Out of Africa theory, Genetics and Human Diversity, The Origin and Spread of Civilization and Cultural Diffusion across the face of the Globe.

Thursday, March 17, 2011

Megalith Builders, Red Paint People and Algonquins

Early depiction of Eastern Woodlands natives under the name of “Algonquins”

Hearing that the entire language group including the Algonquins (and the others more generically called Algonkians) is most closely related to Old World languages with a Megalithic connection was revealing to me because the peoples with the Algonquin-related languages are also ones that are otherwise compared to Western Europeans.

In the times when some Anthropologists were into extensive classifications of humans into different subtypes, the Woodlands Native Americans were classified as “Sylvids” and stated to have the closest appearance to Western Europeans. In specific, to the Megalith-builder type of Western Europeans known as Atlanto-Mediterraneans or Iberians (Donnelly uses the term “Iberians” in that sense in 1881) Both types are recognisable by a prominent nose of a certain type, and even a specific proportion of nose length to chin length, and a long form of the skull when seen from above.
So here are some photos comparinng a “Sylvid” to a selection of Atlanto-Mediterraneans, from an Anthropology website that still deals in such things.

It should be most specifically noted that we are not speaking in terms of “Race” when remarking on phenotypes such as these, the more appropriate way to say this would be that there appears to be a family resemblance between peoples that are related. These would be genetic continuities
along lineage lines and not ethnic packages as such. And we are not talking master races here because as far as it seems, various peoples came to America in ancient times and were basically swallowed up together in the melting-pot. So that whatever they might have started out as, they finished up as Americans (Before Columbus)

Shawnee and a an Ottowa. These are also very good portraits of men who had strong facial features resembling those of Europeans.

Alfred Sherwood Romer wrote in the book Man and the Vertebrates (U of Chicago Press, 1941) 0n page 249

“We have every reason to believe that longheaded brunets essentially Mediterranean passed still farther to the Northeast (Northwest?) and become early, perhaps the earliest, inhabitants of the Americas. The Indians are usually classified as a subdivision of the Mongoloids, and rightly so,it seems, as regards the majority of the population. But there are Indians and there are Indians. In many regions there are groups which show few if any of the characters of typical Mongoloids and tend to have long heads, cheekbones less prominent than in typical Mongols, and other features suggesting the basic Mediterranean type…Even in North America the Eastern Indians, now nearly extinct, lacked a full Mongoloid development [and were thus more like Mediterraneans]”

A woman of the Atlanto-Mediterranean type. Native women of the East also tended to resemble this type, from the older depictions.

Several sources have remarked that the first Native Americans met and illustrated by the colonists looked an awful lot like other white men, as illustrated in the old prints. I have heard that spoken in University-level Anthropology courses and Ignatius Donnelly mentioned that in 1881 in his Atlantis, The Antediluvian World. These prints were made by Debry in the 1600s.

The book Men Out Of Asia by Harold Gladwin(mcGraw Hill, 1947) was also written when a more racist view of Physical Anthropology was the norm, and the book hypothesizes a series of different movements of people into America (Gladwin assumes via the Bering Straits)Gladwin’s second migration dating from 15000 to 2500 BC, which he termed Folsom and Negroid: we would tend to think more Clovis and African (Out-of-Africa Solutrean CroMagnons, to be specific)The Third Migration as Gladwin saw it was Algonquin and 2500 to 500 BC. That might have started earlier but it is probably about the right time-window for both the origin of the Language group and the derivation of Megalithic culture, allowing that it survived longer in the New World. It would also presumably include the onset of the Adena mound-building period. Gladwin notices a variety of culture traits including ground-stone celts (small axheads or tomahawk heads)cordmarked pottery and useful woodlands adaptations such as birchbark canoes and snowshoes. In part the Woodlands culture was a lot like the European Mesolithic. Gladwin makes a guess that the basic original Algonquins were probably Mediterraneans but they mixed with peoples from across the whole of Asia: we might read that as meaning of the Eurasian language Superfamily. Gladwin specifically has a point of origin in Spain at 2000-2500 BC (p143-145)

Neolithic Grave Goods from Orkney Islands, Scotland

Typical Megalithic-Neolithic type from a burial in Orkneys at right: “Red Paint” Maritime Archaic burial below, showing a similar if not the same physical type.

Examination of the “Red Paint,” or Maritime Archaic, cultures in Maine show that a seafaring culture flourished there between 4,000 years ago and 7,500 years ago. Remains of swordfish and other deep sea fish, plummets, gouges, slate lance points and toggling harpoons confirm that these were seafarers of considerable skill. Images of whales, and other marine species, as well as stylised bird heads appeared on decorated objects, such as combs and pendants, and funeral sites revealed the use of red ochre at burial sites. The cemeteries were inevitably placed on high hills overlooking the sea.

James Tuck and Robert Mcgee of St.John’s Memorial University uncovered a rectangular stone chamber of upright stones on the coast of Labrador that closely resembled similar stones found on the island of Teviec just off the coast of France. Both were burial sites where the dead were covered with red ochre, and dating of charcoal pieces from ceremonial burnings at these sites have been carbon dated as being 7,500 years old. The graves, like pyramids built in Mesoamerica, were oriented to reflect light at the time of the rising sun on one day only, at the time of the summer solstice. And instead of a red ochre burial we find at these sites an urn containing cremated ashes, obviously a special treatment for a unusual person, a shaman or tribal chief.

The use of ground slate, a material inferior only to metal, in harpoons and bayonets in both northern Scandinavia and the northern shores of the Americas may not by itself reveal a shared maritime culture 7,500 years ago. But the use of red ochre, the similarity of designs and engravings, the use of sea mammal bone and ivory in tools, and a similar use of oil lamps, all point to a shared culture across the North Atlantic.

From Atlantis in America – Navigators of the Ancient World by Ivar Zapp and George Ericson

Slate Tools of the Maritime Archaic Peoples are very similar to Scandinavian Mesolithic and Neolithic ground-slate tools and in turn are similar to ground-slate tools all around the arctic. The similarity of the ground-slate tools on both sides of the Atlantic at about 3000 BC was noted by Scandinavian archaeologists as far back as the 1920s.

Longbladed “Bayonet” And shorter groundslate points below

Many common forms of ground-slate items including the halfmoon-knife or Ulu are illustrated at left. A stone lamp for burning seal oil is below. Similar groundslate artifacts are found in Neolithic and Mesolithic Ireland and in the Orkney Islands: however the oldest ones seem to come from Spain (From Andalucia according to Margaret Whishaw, who notes the use of ground slate used regularly in the place of the more usual Upper Paleolithic in other parts of Spain. Atlantis in Andalucia)

Maritime Archaic burial under a drystone cairn or mound from about 5000 BC from Newfoundland. The structure might truly be called Megalithic and very likely is part of a cultural continuity with similar structures called Megalithic further south in New England.

Eastern Woodlands Fishers and potters. They are very much like the European Mesolithic peoples living around the North Sea (when it was dry land) as illustrated in an earlier posting on this blog (The Peoples of Atlantis)

Woodlands way of making pottery, built up by coiling clay and then smoothing it over with a paddle, also using patterened paddles to mark designs. The pottery was also frequently marked by impressing marks of cordage or fabrics upon it, which was also very much like the common type of pottery being manufactured across the Atlantic at the same time

Drawing of Eastern Woodlands pottery on the Left, European Bell Beaker on the Right.

Map illustrating the extent and growth of Megalith-builder culture in Europe.

The organization most especially devoted to exploring and exploring and evaluating Megalithic-appearing remains in New England is the NEARA
https://www.neara.org/

A definition and some description of the megaliths can be found on the Wikipedia at the following link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalith

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Some New England Megalithic Chambers as illustrated by photos from the NEARA web pages, credits and copyrights belong to their respective original owners.

Incidentally, my interpretation of the situation is not exactly the same as in America BC. (Simon & Schuster, 1976)by Barry Fell; I am mostly concerned with an older period. If graffitti from younger periods should appear on older structures, that supports his hypotheses but is essentially of no importance to my thesis.

Semisubterranean megalithic dwwellings on the Orkney islands, structures that are the most comparable to some of the New England examples. Some of the New England examples of subterranean chambers are quite extensive.

Radiocarbon samples taken from various of these New England remains have commonly dated to between 1000 to 3000 BC, and then some later dates (Presumably from continued subsequent later use)

Megalithic chambers at Knowth, Ireland.

Definite Megalithic- architecture in this “Tholos” structure found in New Hampshire

New England Dolmen. Dolmens are definitely characteristic of the European Megalithic.

Common decorations on megalithic structures include round cupmarks and concentric rings drawn around them. This is sometimes referred to as an “Omphalos” symbol (“Navel” in reference to the “Navel in the World”) Cupmarks and concentric circles are common on both sides of the Atlanic, from whence the motif seems to have spread to other parts of the world.

The concentric rings are also reflected in the pattern of settlements and forts, frequently made with pounded-earth walls separated by dug-out ditches. This type of structure is known as a “Henge”

Most Megalithic structures are Neolithic and continue on into the succeding Bronze age. Some are older, however, belonging to the Mesolithic age. One example of Mesolithic activity is actually at Stonehenge, where some constructions (made from tree-trunks and not stone pillars) date back to 8000 BC as shown by radiocarbon dates. (noted on the Wikipedia entry)

Cultures such as the Neolithic cultures of Greece and Turkey and the civilizations of Ancient Egypt and Mesoamerica (Mayans)grew out of the general Megalithic Culture independantly.

Reconstruction of Adena mound-buildres of Ohio: the Adenas alkso built the rammed-earth circular walls and the versions of Stoneheng built with trees (known as “Woodhenges”)

“Moundbuilders” means basically people that built mounds. Since several different unrelated peoples built mounds at one time or another, Archaeologists frown on the use of “Moundbuilders” as the name used for the builders of the mounds. The more specific cultures that can be identified as going in for building mounds include the Poverty Point, Adena, Hopewell and Mississippian peoples. Adenas and Hopewells were located mostly in the Midwest of the USA but had relationships to other outlying areas, as is shown by trade items. In the case of the Adenas centered around Ohio, they do seem to have come into the area already inhabited by the relatives of the Red-Paint peoples already there, and there were exchanges of cultural items between the two. Which included the building of mounds.

Here are some remains of “Moundbuilder” stone walls from Kansas City Missouri photographed around the turn of the 20th century. The walls are still being built by the same drystone techniques as the New England “Megalithic” structures.

The peoples that built Stonehenge also built conical round mounds of the same sort as the Adenas did in the New World. Their cultures were similar otherwise, except for the fact that Bronze became more important in the Old World while the peoples of the New World continued to favor Native Copper.

Older than the Adena cultures were the Poverty Point peoles of Louisiana. most notable for having a settlement in the form of several concentric semicircles. They also made enigmatic clay objects, several of which exactly match the tokens of the Old World, forerunners to writing.

Posted by Dale Drinnon at 5:31 AM

8 comments:

pattyJuly 30, 2011 at 8:42 PM

i’ve done a lot of reading about orkney, stone chambers in the americas, the moundbuilders, newgrange and megalithic structures in ireland, etc and it is great to have this overview making these connections in one article. thanks!

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DrusinJanuary 30, 2012 at 12:39 PM

dolmen in jersey

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AnonymousSeptember 23, 2012 at 8:16 PM

This is a fascinating discussion, but I feel like political correctness is so entrenched in modern anthropology that is has intellectually crippled it, to the point where I dont think one could currently talk about these ideas in many college anthro classes (at least not where I went to college!). I think that is a shame.

A major discouraged topic seems to be any discussion of Caucasian (ie “White”)-type populations living outside of Europe before modern colonial times (ie before the 1400s). Especially frowned upon is talk of extra-European Caucasians creating or contributing to any advanced civilizations and material culture outside of Europe.

I think there’s fear that if such ideas were even considered, they would somehow denigrate the non-European peoples of these areas, and unfairly assign credit to Caucasian people for regional cultural achievements and advancements. This is ironic considering that some indigenous peoples, in South America for example, claim that much of their pre-colonial material culture was given to them in ancient times by people with Caucasian features. It now seems more acceptable to say that such people were ancient aliens than to wonder if there were ancient European-type people in the Americas. (Just watch the History Channel to see what I mean).

I think this article made great connections, as one of the other comments said, and I hope work like this inspires even more research. Thanks:-)

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Dale DrinnonSeptember 24, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Indeed that is an ongoing problem with all discussions of this type. But in this case we are talking about “White” populations that superimposed themselves upon Western Europe but originated in places like the Mid-East and North Africa; and their genetics are represented as samples showing their more recent intrusion into Euope from those areas as distinctive from the older populations. In Western-Europe these became the Megalith Builders, and presumably some of their populations became TransAtlantic at that time. These populations include some elements that would be later identifiable as Celtic. The Linguistic classification theoretical basis which set off this line of Theorising is consistent with the observable facts and still seems to be holding up

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AnonymousOctober 20, 2012 at 2:08 PM

link capsian culture – iberian – european megalith – nort american megalith

https://www.provincuns.com/books/berber-project.pdf

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AnonymousJanuary 19, 2013 at 6:40 AM

Has anyone considered that at some of the above aforementioned sites that very tall skeletons (8-12 feet tall) were uncovered? The newspapers from those areas provide proof while the Smithsonian continues to this day to whisk away all evidence of who indeed built the large mounds.

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Nick SowizralJuly 4, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I’m not saying that the megaliths couldn’t be European but Algonquin tribes are 100% genetically connected and have obvious visible connections to other natives, western Europeans may have nose and cheekbone similarities but what about their facial hair and lighter skin(a lot of natives like me cannot grow facial hair), not only this but most Algonquin natives are short in stature whereas a lot of Iberians are tall, and what about the Mandan(a souian language) myth about their connection to the Welsh, it is a myth, the Blackfoot and Cheyenne tribes are Algonquin and sound nothing alike and are the farthest thing as possible from Europeans and to state a connection would not be very smart.https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/images/b/b2/Blackfoot,_Night_Rider,_Blanket_Robe,_Black_Weasel,_1898.jpghttps://www.sonofthesouth.net/american-indians/pictures/cheyenne/cheyenne.jpghttps://www.age-des-celebrites.com/photos/Z/zumeo.pnghttps://ligamistru-2003-2004.xf.cz/obrazky/fotky/san_sebastian/400×600/bittor_alkiza.jpg

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Dale DrinnonJuly 4, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I am sorry, you are in error. There are definite genetic factors common to Native Americans of the Eastern USA and to Western Europeans that decrease in frequency away from either area. In other words, they are definitely related to each other in a way that their nearest relatives in Europe on the one hands and America on the other are NOT related to them! Furthermore, this has been established for some decades, it was something that was in my Anthropology textbooks when I was studying for my degree thirty years ago. And you won’t change that physical fact with mere rhetoric.

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Eastern Woodlands Fishers and potters. They are very much like the European Mesolithic peoples living around the North Sea (when it was dry land) as illustrated in an earlier posting on this blog (The Peoples of Atlantis)

Woodlands way of making pottery, built up by coiling clay and then smoothing it over with a paddle, also using patterened paddles to mark designs. The pottery was also frequently marked by impressing marks of cordage or fabrics upon it, which was also very much like the common type of pottery being manufactured across the Atlantic at the same time

Drawing of Eastern Woodlands pottery on the Left, European Bell Beaker on the Right.

Map illustrating the extent and growth of Megalith-builder culture in Europe.

The organization most especially devoted to exploring and exploring and evaluating Megalithic-appearing remains in New England is the NEARA
https://www.neara.org/

A definition and some description of the megaliths can be found on the Wikipedia at the following link:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Megalith

>
Some New England Megalithic Chambers as illustrated by photos from the NEARA web pages, credits and copyrights belong to their respective original owners.

Incidentally, my interpretation of the situation is not exactly the same as in America BC. (Simon & Schuster, 1976)by Barry Fell; I am mostly concerned with an older period. If graffitti from younger periods should appear on older structures, that supports his hypotheses but is essentially of no importance to my thesis.

Semisubterranean megalithic dwwellings on the Orkney islands, structures that are the most comparable to some of the New England examples. Some of the New England examples of subterranean chambers are quite extensive.

Radiocarbon samples taken from various of these New England remains have commonly dated to between 1000 to 3000 BC, and then some later dates (Presumably from continued subsequent later use)

Megalithic chambers at Knowth, Ireland.

Definite Megalithic- architecture in this “Tholos” structure found in New Hampshire

New England Dolmen. Dolmens are definitely characteristic of the European Megalithic.

Common decorations on megalithic structures include round cupmarks and concentric rings drawn around them. This is sometimes referred to as an “Omphalos” symbol (“Navel” in reference to the “Navel in the World”) Cupmarks and concentric circles are common on both sides of the Atlanic, from whence the motif seems to have spread to other parts of the world.

The concentric rings are also reflected in the pattern of settlements and forts, frequently made with pounded-earth walls separated by dug-out ditches. This type of structure is known as a “Henge”

Most Megalithic structures are Neolithic and continue on into the succeding Bronze age. Some are older, however, belonging to the Mesolithic age. One example of Mesolithic activity is actually at Stonehenge, where some constructions (made from tree-trunks and not stone pillars) date back to 8000 BC as shown by radiocarbon dates. (noted on the Wikipedia entry)

Cultures such as the Neolithic cultures of Greece and Turkey and the civilizations of Ancient Egypt and Mesoamerica (Mayans)grew out of the general Megalithic Culture independantly.

Reconstruction of Adena mound-buildres of Ohio: the Adenas alkso built the rammed-earth circular walls and the versions of Stoneheng built with trees (known as “Woodhenges”)

“Moundbuilders” means basically people that built mounds. Since several different unrelated peoples built mounds at one time or another, Archaeologists frown on the use of “Moundbuilders” as the name used for the builders of the mounds. The more specific cultures that can be identified as going in for building mounds include the Poverty Point, Adena, Hopewell and Mississippian peoples. Adenas and Hopewells were located mostly in the Midwest of the USA but had relationships to other outlying areas, as is shown by trade items. In the case of the Adenas centered around Ohio, they do seem to have come into the area already inhabited by the relatives of the Red-Paint peoples already there, and there were exchanges of cultural items between the two. Which included the building of mounds.

Here are some remains of “Moundbuilder” stone walls from Kansas City Missouri photographed around the turn of the 20th century. The walls are still being built by the same drystone techniques as the New England “Megalithic” structures.

The peoples that built Stonehenge also built conical round mounds of the same sort as the Adenas did in the New World. Their cultures were similar otherwise, except for the fact that Bronze became more important in the Old World while the peoples of the New World continued to favor Native Copper.

Older than the Adena cultures were the Poverty Point peoles of Louisiana. most notable for having a settlement in the form of several concentric semicircles. They also made enigmatic clay objects, several of which exactly match the tokens of the Old World, forerunners to writing.

Posted by Dale Drinnon at 5:31 AM

8 comments:

pattyJuly 30, 2011 at 8:42 PM

i’ve done a lot of reading about orkney, stone chambers in the americas, the moundbuilders, newgrange and megalithic structures in ireland, etc and it is great to have this overview making these connections in one article. thanks!

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DrusinJanuary 30, 2012 at 12:39 PM

dolmen in jersey

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AnonymousSeptember 23, 2012 at 8:16 PM

This is a fascinating discussion, but I feel like political correctness is so entrenched in modern anthropology that is has intellectually crippled it, to the point where I dont think one could currently talk about these ideas in many college anthro classes (at least not where I went to college!). I think that is a shame.

A major discouraged topic seems to be any discussion of Caucasian (ie “White”)-type populations living outside of Europe before modern colonial times (ie before the 1400s). Especially frowned upon is talk of extra-European Caucasians creating or contributing to any advanced civilizations and material culture outside of Europe.

I think there’s fear that if such ideas were even considered, they would somehow denigrate the non-European peoples of these areas, and unfairly assign credit to Caucasian people for regional cultural achievements and advancements. This is ironic considering that some indigenous peoples, in South America for example, claim that much of their pre-colonial material culture was given to them in ancient times by people with Caucasian features. It now seems more acceptable to say that such people were ancient aliens than to wonder if there were ancient European-type people in the Americas. (Just watch the History Channel to see what I mean).

I think this article made great connections, as one of the other comments said, and I hope work like this inspires even more research. Thanks:-)

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Dale DrinnonSeptember 24, 2012 at 10:49 AM

Indeed that is an ongoing problem with all discussions of this type. But in this case we are talking about “White” populations that superimposed themselves upon Western Europe but originated in places like the Mid-East and North Africa; and their genetics are represented as samples showing their more recent intrusion into Euope from those areas as distinctive from the older populations. In Western-Europe these became the Megalith Builders, and presumably some of their populations became TransAtlantic at that time. These populations include some elements that would be later identifiable as Celtic. The Linguistic classification theoretical basis which set off this line of Theorising is consistent with the observable facts and still seems to be holding up

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AnonymousOctober 20, 2012 at 2:08 PM

link capsian culture – iberian – european megalith – nort american megalith

https://www.provincuns.com/books/berber-project.pdf

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AnonymousJanuary 19, 2013 at 6:40 AM

Has anyone considered that at some of the above aforementioned sites that very tall skeletons (8-12 feet tall) were uncovered? The newspapers from those areas provide proof while the Smithsonian continues to this day to whisk away all evidence of who indeed built the large mounds.

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Nick SowizralJuly 4, 2013 at 8:38 PM

I’m not saying that the megaliths couldn’t be European but Algonquin tribes are 100% genetically connected and have obvious visible connections to other natives, western Europeans may have nose and cheekbone similarities but what about their facial hair and lighter skin(a lot of natives like me cannot grow facial hair), not only this but most Algonquin natives are short in stature whereas a lot of Iberians are tall, and what about the Mandan(a souian language) myth about their connection to the Welsh, it is a myth, the Blackfoot and Cheyenne tribes are Algonquin and sound nothing alike and are the farthest thing as possible from Europeans and to state a connection would not be very smart.https://familysearch.org/learn/wiki/en/images/b/b2/Blackfoot,_Night_Rider,_Blanket_Robe,_Black_Weasel,_1898.jpghttps://www.sonofthesouth.net/american-indians/pictures/cheyenne/cheyenne.jpghttps://www.age-des-celebrites.com/photos/Z/zumeo.pnghttps://ligamistru-2003-2004.xf.cz/obrazky/fotky/san_sebastian/400×600/bittor_alkiza.jpg

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Dale DrinnonJuly 4, 2013 at 8:48 PM

I am sorry, you are in error. There are definite genetic factors common to Native Americans of the Eastern USA and to Western Europeans that decrease in frequency away from either area. In other words, they are definitely related to each other in a way that their nearest relatives in Europe on the one hands and America on the other are NOT related to them! Furthermore, this has been established for some decades, it was something that was in my Anthropology textbooks when I was studying for my degree thirty years ago. And you won’t change that physical fact with mere rhetoric.

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