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Saturday, February 1, 2014

Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings: Stone Atlas of the Atlas

Posted on Facebook by Ferruh Ülker 9 hours ago (2/1/2014 3 PM EST) · Edited

10000 years old-in Algeria and my comment …(big screen) ! —

It was Ferruh’s deduction that this rather famous ‘Bubalus’-period rock art engraving from Algeria was a map of the Orient in disguise:

To which I added a comment: “The Ostrich’s neck is also New Britain on the East end of PNG. Very clever deduction here! I shall post this on my blog ASAP”

And I then made this amended version:

This breaks down to including four lesser regional maps, stitched together as shown above

And this means also that the Saharan rock art “Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings” maps indicate a very old but regular and repeated shipping routearound the Cape of Good Hope inthe Last Ice Age Age of Discovery, when the early precursors of Columbus and Vasco da Gama were making their own voyages of discovery out of Altlantis, leaving evidence of their former existance in the much later Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings via the Portolan charts. (The Saharan Rock art maps also include the suggested earliest copies for maps of Atlantis and other places, plus astronomical observations from 15000 years ago and before, all of this knowledge later inherited by the historical Egyptians).

And it turns out the bird depicted in Algeria is not an ostrich as it would seem to be at first: the shape of the body including the lack of obviously differentiated wings or a tail are much more like the Cassowary of New Guinea and NE Australia (Above) than they are like the typical australian Ostriches (below)
And there are two obvious bookends to this map in the case of the Great Goddess Mother India and the big bird of New Guinea, The goddess would be Saraswati, personification of the Saraswati rivers of Ice Age India (but dwindled away in more modern times, and handed down as the Great Goddess of the Harappan civilisation:   https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Saraswati
 
 
 

Sunday, April 28, 2013

Maps of Columbus and the Ancient Sea Kings Maps (Piri Reis Continued)

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Voyages_of_Christopher_Columbus

Wikipedia on the Maps of Columbus:

Navigation plans
Europe had long enjoyed a safe land passage to China and India—sources of valued goods such as silk, spices, and opiates—under the hegemony of the Mongol Empire (the Pax Mongolica, or Mongol peace). With the Fall of Constantinople to the Turkish Ottoman Empire in 1453, the land route to Asia became more difficult. In response to this the Columbus brothers had, by the 1480s, developed a plan to travel to the Indies, then construed roughly as all of southern and eastern Asia, by sailing directly west across the “Ocean Sea,” the Atlantic Ocean.

Washington Irving’s 1828 biography of Columbus popularized the idea that Columbus had difficulty obtaining support for his plan because Europeans thought the Earth was flat.[10] In fact, the primitive maritime navigation of the time relied on the stars and the curvature of the spherical Earth. The knowledge that the Earth was spherical was widespread, and the means of calculating its diameter using an astrolabe was known to both scholars and navigators.[11]

Diameter of Earth and travel distance estimates

A spherical Earth had been the general opinion of Ancient Greek science, and this view continued through the Middle Ages (for example, Bede mentions it in The Reckoning of Time). In fact Eratosthenes had measured the diameter of the Earth with good precision in the 2nd century BC.[12] Where Columbus did differ from the generally accepted view of his time is his (very incorrect) arguments that assumed a significantly smaller diameter for the Earth, claiming that Asia could be easily reached by sailing west across the Atlantic. Most scholars accepted Ptolemy’s correct assessment that the terrestrial landmass (for Europeans of the time, comprising Eurasia and Africa) occupied 180 degrees of the terrestrial sphere, and dismissed Columbus’ claim that the Earth was much smaller, and that Asia was only a few thousand nautical miles to the west of Europe. Columbus’ error was attributed to his insufficient experience in navigation at sea.[6]

The “Columbus map” was drawn circa 1490 in the workshop of Bartolomeo and Christopher Columbus in Lisbon.[13]

Handwritten notes by Christopher Columbus on the Latin edition of Marco Polo’s Le livre des merveilles.

Columbus believed the (incorrect) calculations of Marinus of Tyre, putting the landmass at 225 degrees, leaving only 135 degrees of water. Moreover, Columbus believed that one degree represented a shorter distance on the Earth’s surface than was actually the case. Finally, he read maps as if the distances were calculated in Italian miles (1,238 meters).[dubious ] Accepting the length of a degree to be 56? miles, from the writings of Alfraganus, he therefore calculated the circumference of the Earth as 25,255 kilometers at most, and the distance from the Canary Islands to Japan as 3,000 Italian miles (3,700 km, or 2,300 statute miles). Columbus did not realize Alfraganus used the much longer Arabic mile (about 1,830 m).[citation needed]

The true circumference of the Earth is about 40,000 km (25,000 sm), a figure established by Eratosthenes in the 2nd century BC,[12] and the distance from the Canary Islands to Japan 19,600 km (12,200 sm). No ship that was readily available in the 15th century could carry enough food and fresh water for such a journey. Most European sailors and navigators concluded, probably correctly, that sailors undertaking a westward voyage from Europe to Asia non-stop would die of thirst, scurvy or starvation long before reaching their destination. Spain, however, having just completed the expensive Reconquista, was desperate for a competitive edge over other European countries in trade with the East Indies. Columbus promised such an advantage.

Europeans generally assumed that the aquatic expanse between Europe and Asia was uninterrupted. While hints of the American continent about Vinland were already surfacing in Europe, historians agree that Columbus calculated a too short distance from the Canary Islands to Japan by the standards of his peers.[citation needed]

Trade winds

There was a further element of key importance in the plans of Columbus, a closely held fact discovered by or otherwise learned by Columbus: the Trade Winds. A brisk westward wind from the east, commonly called an “”, propelled Santa María, La Niña, and La Pinta for five weeks from the Canary Islands off Africa. To return to Spain eastward against this prevailing wind would have required several months of an arduous sailing technique upwind, called beating, during which food and drinkable water would have been utterly exhausted. Columbus returned home by following prevailing winds northeastward from the southern zone of the North Atlantic to the middle latitudes of the North Atlantic, where prevailing winds are eastward (westerly) to the coastlines of Western Europe, where the winds curve southward towards the Iberian Peninsula. So he used the North Atlantic’s great circular wind pattern, clockwise in direction, in both legs of his voyage.[14][15][16]

The strange coincidence of there actually being land where some of the maps Columbus was using said there would be land (as in the composite above, maps taken from just before and just ater Columbus’ journey and mentioned  by name in earlier parts of this series) has struck many people as not coincdental at all, and in fact as downright suspicious. And in fact what is shown here is the way the Atlanteans (through the Egyptians and finally through Plato) described the situation. Quoting Donnelly about this below:

Atlantis, the Antediluvian World, by Ignatius Donnelly, [1882],
Chapter IV, “Corroborating Circumstances” p. 172
4. Plato says that there was a “passage west from Atlantis to the rest of the islands, as well as from these islands to the whole opposite continent that surrounds that real sea.” He calls it a real sea, as contradistinguished from the Mediterranean, which, as he says, is not a real sea (or ocean) but a landlocked body of water, like a harbor.

Now, Plato might have created Atlantis out of his imagination; but how could he have invented the islands beyond (the West India Islands), and the whole continent (America) enclosing that real sea? If we look at the map, we see that the continent of America does “surround” the ocean in a great half-circle. Could Plato have guessed all this? If there had been no Atlantis, and no series of voyages from it that revealed the half-circle of the continent from Newfoundland to Cape St. Roche, how could Plato have guessed it? And how could he have known that the Mediterranean was only a harbor compared with the magnitude of the great ocean surrounding Atlantis? Long sea-voyages were necessary to establish that fact, and the Greeks, who kept close to the shores in their short journeys, did not make such voyages.

With a little shuffling of the map elements we can reconstruct the Atlantean description of the North Atlantic Ocean as being as shown above. (The Azores went up when Atlantis/Antillia went down, but the convention of many such maps was to show both together. The islands of modern Indonesia were shown alongside Sundaland in the same way and probably by the same map cpmilers using the same reasoning) The scale is approximate but the impression is good. Below is the Juan de la Cosa map of 1500, directly after Columbus’ voyages, indicated by the black outline above:
The earliest map known to incorporate information by Columbus and Amerigo Vespucci, and to recognise the existance of a New World is reproduced below. It seems to be something like the source for the Piri Reis map must have been and it was also discussed earlier.
 There do seem to be older maps of the world indicating the shape of what would be later recognised as the New World, but  presumably from before its discovery by columbus, incorporating this idea if a large funnel leading into a cul-de-sac in the Gulf of Mexico:it is possible the concept rus back to the Phoenicians and before, especially if the ideasof the “River Ocean” known to the Greeks was actually a description of the Gulf Stream, which has been hypothesized by both Atlantis theorists and by Precolumbian-contact theorists, especially in connection to the Phoenicians or Tartessians. The general concept was even known and illustrated by the early Mexicans when recounting their traditions to the Spanish Conquistadores. The top drawing is from Donnelly (last time) oriented as a conventional map (north attop) and illustrating Mexico  being approached from the West and the Gulf ofMexico as being at the end of this cul-de-sac: the lower is the same illustration as it was originally.
The following is another very early Postcolmbian map with “Antillia” now on the Western side of the new world and again being called “Japan”. From now on the conventionalised island would be assumed to BE Japan (Cipangu) even though other maps sow a set of several large islands more properly. This map was later transcribed to one of the earliest antique globes, the Behaim globe, and made while Columbus’ voyages were still going on:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Martin_Behaim
 The shape of the Americas is possibly based on a Precolumbian tradition and possibly on something which would justifiably called one of the Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings: such conventionalised shapes are also shown on Carthaginian coins, and surprisingly, along with the top part of the even older map shown below it. I believe that incorporating both would be the specific form of the ancestral Portola chart and the ultimate source for the Mas of the Ancient Sea Kings.
This map makes an attempt to show The Antipodes, from a Classical Greek theory about The Land On The Other Side of the World, ancestor to the concept of Terra Australis Incognita. And the “Known World” part is an Ice Age map! It shows glaciers in the places where we have Scandinavia and Tibet. And it indicates the vertically-placed Oriental shoreline which is characteristic of the SUNDALAND Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings. I imagine this information came by way of India but it has also been remarked that it bears a resemblance to certain maps native to and intending to show China and Japan, among other nations. The two-forked land area is highly suggestive of India+ Sundaland. Sumatra as “Taprobane” is sometimes shown in the gap between as an allowance since it does not appear on any maps which originally showed Sundaland.Hapgood misread this on some maps to be showing both the Indus and Ganges as arms of the sea with Southern India cut off from the mainland. The identity of “Taprobane” is a separate matter which we have delt with elsewhere.
So theoretically the protomap would show the Atlantic like this
And an Ice Age Oriental, Sundaland map like this
(with the other large island areas not placed very accurately in relationship to it)

So that it could be said that this version of a Ptolemy World Map would be the most accurate representation of what the original combined Maps of the Sea Kings maps would be. This would be about what Admiral Piri Reis would have understood as well. And there are word map descriptions of foreign lands which seem to correspond to a Ptolemic overall map such as these (Donnelly refers to such maps in his Atlantis book and critics have missed the reference. Such geographic knowkledge must have been known in India at a very early date)

James Churchward claims to have seen maps of remote places carved into rock in Western Tiubet with star positions indicating a date of about 10000- 15000 years old on them. This is actually possible since we do have Astronomical observations that old or older in the cave art of Europe and the Rock Art of the Sahara, and the date is close to one given by an Astronomer who was projecting bak from Classical and Egyptian sources. In the map above, Churchward claoms to have evidence og an inland sea in the Amazon River basin: to the contrary, it seems to be yet another version of North and South America with the Gukf of Mexico prominently indicated.  Churchward’s extra lines have been removed from this version in order to simplify it. Presumably, such maps and such Geographic knowledge was brought ot of India in past millenia and then made into a permanent record in Tibet. It would be good to locate these records because the maps could very well be valuable evidence of Sundaland-Lemurian navigations during the Pleistocene Ice Age.
This is my earlier map showing my estimations for the Maps of the Ancient Sea Kings. The white area would be well-known and well0-charted bythe Atlantean Sea Kings, and they would be well aware enough of the continental/land area shown in paler grey. The other parts of the world are excluded and would have been mapped separately. Atlanteans knew of a Bering Land bridge and presumably when they settled in America they met overland travellers coming from the other way around. The white ara sould continue up to the point of Brazil as well. Note that going by this, the mapping of Antarctica (if any) would have come from other sources.

This is my new suggested map for the Sundaland Ancient Sea Kings, ca 10000-15000 years ago. in this case the green area is the homeland and well-known to them. The lighter grey areas are more vaguely known and if we allow that Churchward was telling the truth about his Tibetan rock art atlas, the Americas would also count in this category. The lighter blue seas were more familiar to them, including the areas around Antarctica. at the time there would be dense pack ice and giving the illusion that the two landmasses were connected: also there was extensive pack ice around much of the rest of Antarctica giving the illusion it was much larger (at the same time the glaciers were not in the same place we have Antarctic ice today and there could have been large aeas of exposed unglaciated land. And my presumption has always been that the particular attraction to Alaska was in its breeding grounds for whales: the tall ships of this era must have included whalers.

Ships of the Ancient Sea Kings

It has been suggested that the great sizes traditionally ascribed to ships of the “Noah’s Ark” class would put them into the clas o the Ming Chinese ZhengHe Treasure Ships. From Sundaland at its height came monster Tall Ships such as these, and it was only because of these ships that they would have had an extensive knowledge of Ice Age world geography, including in such hostile environments such as existed around Antarctica. The ships of Atlantis would have been smaller BUT many of the traditions of the Great Flood specify that the survivors were saved by collossal craft such as these. A particular source for this information is the book Lost Survivors of the Deluge.