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OCTOBER 2024 The recent cyber attack on the Internet Archive is deplorable and can be reasonably compared with the repeated burning of the Great Library of Alexandria. I have used the Wayback Machine extensively, but, until the full extent of the permanent damage is clear, I am unable to assess its effect on Atlantipedia. At […]Read More »
Joining The Dots
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Bodie Hodge
Christian Fundamentalists *
Christian Fundamentalists or at least some of them have voiced extremely negative views on Atlantis. One site refers to “Atlantis and its satanic and occult underpinnings”, while an English language website(a) in Finland denounces the story of Atlantis as the work of the Anti-Christ, while on the other hand, prominent creationists, such as Bodie Hodge, James I. Nienhuis and others have no difficulty in accepting the possibility of Atlantis’ existence!
Another fundamentalist website, Genesis Veracity Foundation ventures to discuss Evenor and his wife Leucippe, the parents of Clieto who married Poseidon and in turn were the parents of the first ten kings of Atlantis (Critias 113c-114c). In the process it manages to give both Evenor and Leucippe a sex change, identifying the former as the biblical Eve and ‘her’ partner as Lucifer! It seems that their ability to understand Plato is even worse than their various interpretations of the Bible.
(a) Atlantis (archive.org) *
Hodge, Bodie
Bodie Hodge is a Christian fundamentalist writer with The Museum of Creation in Kentucky and its propaganda wing Answers in Genesis(a). In March 2010 he raised a few eyebrows when he ventured to discuss the existence of Plato’s Atlantis and its compatibility with the Bible(b). He concluded that if it had existed, it had been located in the Atlantic with its remnants being the Azores, Madeira or the Canaries. He also calculated its demise to have occurred between 1818 BC and 600 BC.
> “Atlantis, if the reports had been reasonably correct, would have been destroyed, leaving only much smaller islands lying above the surface of the Atlantic Ocean. The most logical remains seem to be the Canary or Madeira Islands, as well as other underwater islands close to them that may have been largely destroyed about 3000 years ago.“(d)<
A rather harsh review of Hodge’s output is to be found on the RationalWiki website(c).
(a) https://www.answersingenesis.org/
(b) https://answersingenesis.org/the-flood/did-atlantis-exist/
(c) https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Bodie_Hodge
(d) Creationism and Atlantis – Atlantisforschung.de (atlantisforschung-de.translate.goog) *
Creationists and Atlantis *
Creationists and Atlantis are not regular bedfellows, so I was rather intrigued when I first encountered the work of James Nienhuis. He is a self-confessed ‘young-earth’ creationist, who claims that the last Ice Age ended around 1500 BC. He is quite happy to accept that Plato wrote of a real ancient civilisation albeit within his chosen timeframe.
Creationists are currently expanding their assault on science with attempts to have the teaching of global warming banned(a). Consequently, it was another surprise to find that Bodie Hodge, a writer with The Museum of Creation in Kentucky and its propaganda wing Answers in Genesis(b), ventured to accept the existence of Plato’s Atlantis. Professor P.Z. Myers was similarly surprised and responded accordingly(c). Hodge ignores Plato’s date for the destruction of Atlantis and instead opts for a period between 1818 BC and 600 BC. To even include the latter date seems like rather careless research as it would mean that Atlantis sank during Solon’s lifetime. Hodge also considers the Greek ‘gods’, Atlas, Poseidon and Cronos as real people!
Vedic creationism is totally different than Christian creationism, the former, as promoted by Michael Cremo & Richaed Thompson, claims that humans have lived on Earth for millions if not billions of years, while the timescale proposed by the latter varies, it is far more modest.
Although this is not the place for a debate on creationism, I must point out that there are conservative Christians who also accept scientific evidence and advocate a biblical chronology based on fact(d). While young earth creationists nitpick over minor problems that have been found with all dating methods, they fail to explain the overwhelming evidence provided by radiocarbon dating, dendrochronology, varves, ice cores and corals, ALL of which consistently tell the same story of a very ancient earth.
So far, it appears that creationists have little to add to the Atlantis debate, or indeed much else.
Although I am personally opposed to the idea of divine creation, I am not prepared to ignore evidence. Consequently, when I read of a US scientist, Mark Armitage, being fired because he offered evidence that seemed to cast doubt on evolution(e), I was interested. He discovered soft tissue in a triceratops horn and since soft tissue is not meant to survive more than a few thousand years, let alone 65 million of them, Armitage claimed that this undermined Darwinian evolution and by extension supported creationism! Some interesting background information on Armitage and his claim is also available online(f).
“The university says it settled for $399,500 to avoid a protracted legal battle, but some scientists say the outcome has implications for how scientists critique creationist colleagues going forward…….but if Northridge employees had known about the deep-pocket legal groups that were committed to pursuing Armitage’s case, they would have handled themselves very differently from the get-go”(h). It would appear that Armitage won his case because of religious discrimination rather than his scientific conclusions.
The latest evolutionary claim is that humans parted from apes earlier than previously thought and that this separation may have taken place in the Mediterranean region(g).
(b) https://www.answersingenesis.org/
(c) https://theappleeaters.wordpress.com/2010/03/04/using-the-bible-to-learn-aboutatlantis/
(d) The Biblical Chronologist (archive.org) *
(e) https://www.christianpost.com/news/scientist-sues-calif-university-for-firing-him-after-his-dinosaur-discovery-supported-creationism-123906/
(f) https://sensuouscurmudgeon.wordpress.com/2014/11/05/mark-armitage-update-05-nov-2014/
(g) https://www.q-mag.org/did-humans-split-from-apes-in-the-mediterranean.html